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Biden. His policies led to a huge increase in illegal immigration. Look at the huge jump due to his policies: https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/2

by xdennis 4mo ago

Biden. His policies led to a huge increase in illegal immigration. Look at the huge jump due to his policies: https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20240127_EPC149.png https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20240127_EPC... The same was not true for Obama, who was actually much better than Bush.

triceratops 4mo ago
What was the policy change though?
- Auracle 4mo ago
  Biden: "Here's an app where you can make an appointment to illegally cross the border. Our system will be so backed up that you won't need to go to actual immigration court for years, and even then if we tell you to leave and you don't we probably won't go after you. You'll have plenty of time to make an anchor baby. Oh, I can't close the border without a bipartisan bill that essentially enshrines a certain level of illegal immigration. Can't be done." Trump: "Border is closed. We're deporting people, starting with mostly those that have committed serious crimes."
  - triceratops 4mo ago
    > I can't close the border without a bipartisan bill that essentially enshrines a certain level of illegal immigration How did it do that?
    - Auracle 4mo ago
      The mandatory trigger at 5,000 encounters/day (or 8,500 single-day) implied acceptance of very high volumes—potentially ~1.8+ million encounters/year—before full expulsion authority kicked in. That expulsion authority only lasted for 3 years. It also codified/expanded release authority for asylum seekers under certain "operational" conditions. The main point is that Biden acted like his hands were tied and Trump showed that they clearly weren't, and that we already had the tools to effectively shut down illegal immigration (through the border, at least).
devindotcom 4mo ago
the graph actually makes it look like the jump was due to Trump's policies, since the spike started in his term. if anything the graph shows that Biden policies arrested it shortly after. I recall reading deportations were actually very high during Biden's term.
mondrian 4mo ago
A better chart: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/f3fb/live/1ca3da90-25a4-11f0-8c66-ebf25fc2cfef.png.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/f3fb/live/1ca3d...
- loeg 4mo ago
  Not better, just different? GP's chart includes two prior administrations for context; yours includes Trump 2, which also provides additional context (but excludes Bush and Obama).
paulryanrogers 4mo ago
Biden, his party, and some Republicans worked for years on the toughest border legislation ever endorsed by a Democratic president. Trump demanded it be shot down so he'd still have an issue to campaign on.
- loeg 4mo ago
  Biden's executive actions resulted in the loosest de facto border in recent memory. That he later worked on some legislation that was ultimately ineffective isn't a great defense. He could have just directed the executive branch to be less lax the whole time!
  - paulryanrogers 4mo ago
    > That he later worked on some legislation that was ultimately ineffective isn't a great defense. The in-effectivity was due entirely and directly to Trump interfering in the matter. How can a president sign legislation that doesn't reach his desk because the party in control of the legislative body is in the pocket of a man who cares more about his career than the nation's well-being?
    - loeg 4mo ago
      It doesn't matter. You don't get credit for things that don't happen, even if your political opponents were unhelpful.
SmirkingRevenge 4mo ago
Biden did not support "open borders", nor did he cause the immigration surges during his term. CATO of all places refutes both of these ideas: - https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-1-summary https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-pa... - https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-2-did-biden-cut-enforcement https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-pa... - https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-4-what-caused-border-crisis https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-pa... (Also, FWIW, those immigration surges were good things (for the US), and likely helped the US stick the "soft landing" instead of slipping into a post-covid recession)

by xdennis 4mo ago

triceratops 4mo ago

What was the policy change though?

Auracle 4mo ago
Biden: "Here's an app where you can make an appointment to illegally cross the border. Our system will be so backed up that you won't need to go to actual immigration court for years, and even then if we tell you to leave and you don't we probably won't go after you. You'll have plenty of time to make an anchor baby. Oh, I can't close the border without a bipartisan bill that essentially enshrines a certain level of illegal immigration. Can't be done." Trump: "Border is closed. We're deporting people, starting with mostly those that have committed serious crimes."
- triceratops 4mo ago
  > I can't close the border without a bipartisan bill that essentially enshrines a certain level of illegal immigration How did it do that?
  - Auracle 4mo ago
    The mandatory trigger at 5,000 encounters/day (or 8,500 single-day) implied acceptance of very high volumes—potentially ~1.8+ million encounters/year—before full expulsion authority kicked in. That expulsion authority only lasted for 3 years. It also codified/expanded release authority for asylum seekers under certain "operational" conditions. The main point is that Biden acted like his hands were tied and Trump showed that they clearly weren't, and that we already had the tools to effectively shut down illegal immigration (through the border, at least).

devindotcom 4mo ago

the graph actually makes it look like the jump was due to Trump's policies, since the spike started in his term. if anything the graph shows that Biden policies arrested it shortly after. I recall reading deportations were actually very high during Biden's term.

mondrian 4mo ago

A better chart: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/f3fb/live/1ca3da90-25a4-11f0-8c66-ebf25fc2cfef.png.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/f3fb/live/1ca3d...

loeg 4mo ago
Not better, just different? GP's chart includes two prior administrations for context; yours includes Trump 2, which also provides additional context (but excludes Bush and Obama).

paulryanrogers 4mo ago

Biden, his party, and some Republicans worked for years on the toughest border legislation ever endorsed by a Democratic president. Trump demanded it be shot down so he'd still have an issue to campaign on.

loeg 4mo ago
Biden's executive actions resulted in the loosest de facto border in recent memory. That he later worked on some legislation that was ultimately ineffective isn't a great defense. He could have just directed the executive branch to be less lax the whole time!
- paulryanrogers 4mo ago
  > That he later worked on some legislation that was ultimately ineffective isn't a great defense. The in-effectivity was due entirely and directly to Trump interfering in the matter. How can a president sign legislation that doesn't reach his desk because the party in control of the legislative body is in the pocket of a man who cares more about his career than the nation's well-being?
  - loeg 4mo ago
    It doesn't matter. You don't get credit for things that don't happen, even if your political opponents were unhelpful.

SmirkingRevenge 4mo ago

Biden did not support "open borders", nor did he cause the immigration surges during his term. CATO of all places refutes both of these ideas: - https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-1-summary https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-pa... - https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-2-did-biden-cut-enforcement https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-pa... - https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-4-what-caused-border-crisis https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-pa... (Also, FWIW, those immigration surges were good things (for the US), and likely helped the US stick the "soft landing" instead of slipping into a post-covid recession)