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The post linked has been removed, so I don't know what more we can speculate upon, 650+ comments in. It's strange to see HN mods allow this much attention to a
by sph 4mo ago
The post linked has been removed, so I don't know what more we can speculate upon, 650+ comments in.
It's strange to see HN mods allow this much attention to a political, and contentious issue.
- dang 4mo agoWhat has been removed? The links I saw didn't have much information but as far as I can tell they're still up. From an HN point of view the idea is to give the discussion a place, since the community obviously wants to have it.
- sph 4mo agoThe Mastodon post itself. I get a 404 error. It was fine when this reached the frontpage yesterday or when was it. Looks like the author deleted it. EDIT: nvm it's rate limited
- naturalmovement 4mo ago> From an HN point of view the idea is to give the discussion a place, since the community obviously wants to have it So where do you draw the line? Just this week I saw multiple offtopic Epstein schizoposts by 10+ year old accounts that were alternately flagged and vouched. Should we allow that too? My takeaway is this is a highly politically charged rant on a niche social media site — exactly the kind of discussion we're meant to avoid. Things are rotten below ground and you give an inch, they'll want a mile.
- dang 4mo agoWe try to draw the line according to principles that I've explained many times over the years. If you scroll back through the comments, for example, at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so..., you'll find them. If you read some of those and then still have a question that isn't answered there, I'd be happy to take a crack at it. Btw, I'm not claiming that we make every individual call correctly - that's an undecidable question anyhow since everyone will have their own evaluation of "correctly". But at the more general level of what principles to apply, I do think there's a certain consistency: they've been the same for many years, and we do our (fallible) best to follow them.
- irthomasthomas 4mo agoThe comment from the other Mullvad founder is here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48696800 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48696800
- modeless 4mo agoI don't think "appetite to discuss" should be a justification to override the guidelines against political submissions and discussion. There is far too much politics on HN and it leaks into unrelated discussions too. There are plenty of other places to discuss politics on the internet.
- dang 4mo agoThe guidelines say that most political articles are offtopic. Most != all. The question is what should be in the setdiff of all - most. About that, there are lots of past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... Edit: more at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48724830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48724830 in this thread
- modeless 4mo agoI'm aware of what you've said about this in the past. I'm expressing my disagreement. HN would be improved dramatically by a significant change in where this line is drawn.
- MichaelZuo 4mo agoHow would you draw the line? A 100% airtight filter against political articles seems unrealistic to maintain. Since “political” is itself not fully settled.
- ironneat 4mo ago[flagged]
- tomhow 4mo agoThe guidelines still apply here. Comments that are inflammatory should be flagged/killed and repeat/egregious offenders should be banned. In the case of your past account: we happily unban accounts when people establish a track record of contributing positively. We don’t hold grudges and indeed we welcome it when users reform their style of participation.
- lovich 4mo agoHow does someone show a track record of contributing positively if they are banned?
- tomhow 4mo agoThey can still comment or submit items; their posts are dead by default but can still be seen by users with `showdead` turned on and can be vouched, to make them visible to everyone. Moderators will also unkill dead posts we see that we think are fine, and the user can email us to ask for specific items to be reviewed and unkilled. The other way is to register a new account. Either way, after even just a few weeks of earnest participation we're happy to consider unbanning the main account, or provide guidance as to what further corrections would need to be made before unbanning can happen.
- microgpt 4mo agoWell the title already says most of it, doesn't it? I'm also surprised. Usually opinions opposing the far right are removed from HN.
- mlrtime 4mo agoWait what? I see the exact opposite, and what is the 'far right'? You mean anything republican/conservative?