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Fascists always incude left wing policies to try to appeal to the "working man". There's a reason the Nazis included "socialist" in their name. It's not becaus
by onraglanroad 4mo ago
Fascists always incude left wing policies to try to appeal to the "working man".
There's a reason the Nazis included "socialist" in their name. It's not because they give a crap about the plebs.
- toxik 4mo ago[flagged]
- wat10000 4mo agoBriefly. It’s important to remember that nearly all of those people ended up significantly worse off in the longer term.
- 0xbadcafebee 4mo agoWell let's be clear, the Nazis did care about making life better for workers - if those workers were "pure-blood" white male german workers. It's sometimes pointed to by apologists to claim they weren't all bad, that they helped the little guy. But they ignore that everybody else got killed or oppressed. Even women had their hard-won civil rights revoked. It's important we talk about these things with detail. Quite a large portion of the US wouldn't mind living in a white patriarchal society. We need to remind people what kinds of people make those societies, and what happens in them, lest they be repeated.
- wat10000 4mo agoMy point is that even those favored groups ultimately suffered terribly in the longer term, as a result of their government starting a war with half the world and refusing to seek peace before being utterly destroyed.
- toxik 4mo agoWell, that was an outcome of losing the world war, not their socialist policies. I'm not sure the two can be separated, maybe you could imagine the Nazis but without starting world wars.
- wat10000 4mo agoIt was a pretty inherently expansionist ideology. Even if you skip over that, the same idiocy that got them into an unwinnable war with half the world applied elsewhere. I doubt the good times would have lasted either way. In any case, regardless of inevitability, I think it's important to remind people that the Nazis as they actually happened were a disaster for virtually everyone in Germany, just to preempt any statements about the Nazis actually being good for certain groups.
- toxik 4mo agoI agree, we must look at disgusting things and understand them if we truly wish not to end up in the same place again. It's really sad to see I was flagged, downvoted, and somebody called me a white supremacist. Ironically exactly the kind of dogmatism that allows fascist ideology to take root.
- jackb4040 4mo agoHow is this not flagged??
- microgpt 4mo ago[flagged]
- pesus 4mo ago[flagged]
- tomhow 4mo agoThe comment was killed by downvotes and flags within an hour of it being posted. Regarding your claim, you're welcome to point out any such users and comments that are not flagged/killed or banned. We act immediately when we're alerted to anything like this. Our email is hn@ycombinator.com.
- toxik 4mo agoWhy should it be? The world is more complex and nuanced than "Nazis bad". Yes, they were horrible and despicable. They still enacted some effective policies, and many of them were socialist in nature.
- jackb4040 4mo agoWell it did end up getting flagged and removed. So wherever you think "the line" is for acceptable Nazi apologia on this website is misplaced; tread carefully.