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DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades. BluRay no, because your player's keys can be revoked when you pop in a new disc.

dfxm12 3mo ago
Ok, how long do you have to rip & copy the content as you desire? It is still reasonably a forever version. Before you bring up laws around keys, first consider that jaywalking in front of your house is illegal too. Again, it is reasonably a forever version.
- lstodd 3mo ago
  Why even bother with all those hoops. Just download.
  - dfxm12 3mo ago
    Oh, I was adding a pertinent point of discussion in a discussion board. It is fun. I suggest you try it.
    - nekusar 3mo ago
      Snarky shit aside... Why should I pay to be treated as a criminal, when pirating is better in every way and costs nothing? There is no option of "Pay for digital copy of show that permits format/time shifting and backup for as long as I want, with no DRM". Like GOG. Doesn't exist in the pay realm.
      - dfxm12 3mo ago
        It seems like you're just adding more and more qualifiers until you can finally justify piracy to yourself. You can reasonably do what you want if you buy the disc. There's a good chance that's how the people you're downloading from did it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        nekusar 3mo ago
        Yeah thats also how I do it. I have a cool 16 DVD/Bluray ripping rig. Even have scripts that convert ripped images into MKV's with all audio and subtitles, art, etc. Uploads into my Jellyfin. And yes, I do buy VHS, DVDs, and Blurays. I have probably 3000 movies in physical format, and 10000 audio CDs. I also rip old VHS, which you usually cant find any torrents of. Again, I specialize in rare stuff you cant buy retail or find. There's also illegal shows, like the old WKRP in Cincinnati. They licensed for TV only multiple songs. Pink Floyd and other artists refuse to license now. Nobody can legally sell them, even if you have the money. Piracy is the only way for the complete show. There's also a lot more shows that languished in licening hell for decades, or theyre still unobtainable at any price. Some you can get redacted versions, but the originals are illegal no matter what. And as an (well, illegal, but I DGAF) archivist, having shows intentionally lost due to pervasive greed is just... more wrong. The Wonder Years - finally published in 2021, LOTS of cuts made China Beach - published in 2013 after clearing hundreds of songs. 17 segments were cut due to licensing fuckery Northern Exposure - multiple songs redacted on republishing Pee-wee's Playhouse - multiple songs redacted on republishing Beavis and Butt-Head - DVD was a hackjob with dozens of songs changed/parodied. Cold Case - too much licensed content, cant republish Third Watch - too much licensed content, cant republish The Drew Carey Show - massive music rights issues, cant republish Malcolm in the Middle - massive music rights issues, cant republish Little Monsters (1989) - massive music rights issues, cant republish Heavy Metal (1981) - tons of rights issues, cant republish Kids Incorporated / Class of 1999 2 - tons of rights issues, cant republish
        lstodd 3mo ago
        This. Once you're into not-currently-selling stuff, as in some original cuts for example, piracy is the only way possible and is in every way better on top of that. It works. And it does not preclude you from paying original creators. Want to send some btc to someone? Want to help with a road trip? Want to help shooting the next season of whatever? Want to fund it outright? No problem.
        nik282000 3mo ago
        I'd like to add Daria to that list. Most of the music has rights issuses and the DVD release has had it all replaced with generic 90s music-like filler.
- iainmerrick 3mo ago
  jaywalking in front of your house is illegal In most parts of the world it’s not illegal. That’s a seriously draconian law.
- Schiendelman 3mo ago
  Crossing the street in a residential neighborhood is legal in almost all of the world and increasingly legal in the US as well. Many major cities started with non-enforcement and some are rolling back jaywalking laws entirely.
- DarkUranium 3mo ago
  A rip & copy is a breach of the DMCA (because it involves circumvention of DRM, among other things) in the US, which makes it software piracy. And then they wonder why so many advocate for just skipping the "purchase" step when the end result is legally the same.
ahtihn 3mo ago
> BluRay no, because your player's keys can be revoked when you pop in a new disc Wait what? How? How is that possibly legal?
- gsich 3mo ago
  This was planned for DVDs too, but they failed miserably. In any other case: use MakeMKV
- kevin_thibedeau 3mo ago
  Key revocation applies to releases published after the revocation date. Old media should continue playing with a compromised device key.
  - ahtihn 3mo ago
    That wasn't what was implied then. If old media continues playing then it's still "forever".
Anechoic 3mo ago
DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades. Which is the same constraint as pretty much any other physical item one might purchase. "reasonably a forever" is a reasonable description.
- threetonesun 3mo ago
  I know it's not the point you're making but I would enjoy a post-apocalyptic post-AI movie where they pass on the lesson of the dangers of AI through an oral recounting or stage production of T2.

dfxm12 3mo ago

Ok, how long do you have to rip & copy the content as you desire? It is still reasonably a forever version. Before you bring up laws around keys, first consider that jaywalking in front of your house is illegal too. Again, it is reasonably a forever version.

lstodd 3mo ago
Why even bother with all those hoops. Just download.
- dfxm12 3mo ago
  Oh, I was adding a pertinent point of discussion in a discussion board. It is fun. I suggest you try it.
  - nekusar 3mo ago
    Snarky shit aside... Why should I pay to be treated as a criminal, when pirating is better in every way and costs nothing? There is no option of "Pay for digital copy of show that permits format/time shifting and backup for as long as I want, with no DRM". Like GOG. Doesn't exist in the pay realm.
    - dfxm12 3mo ago
      It seems like you're just adding more and more qualifiers until you can finally justify piracy to yourself. You can reasonably do what you want if you buy the disc. There's a good chance that's how the people you're downloading from did it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - nekusar 3mo ago
        Yeah thats also how I do it. I have a cool 16 DVD/Bluray ripping rig. Even have scripts that convert ripped images into MKV's with all audio and subtitles, art, etc. Uploads into my Jellyfin. And yes, I do buy VHS, DVDs, and Blurays. I have probably 3000 movies in physical format, and 10000 audio CDs. I also rip old VHS, which you usually cant find any torrents of. Again, I specialize in rare stuff you cant buy retail or find. There's also illegal shows, like the old WKRP in Cincinnati. They licensed for TV only multiple songs. Pink Floyd and other artists refuse to license now. Nobody can legally sell them, even if you have the money. Piracy is the only way for the complete show. There's also a lot more shows that languished in licening hell for decades, or theyre still unobtainable at any price. Some you can get redacted versions, but the originals are illegal no matter what. And as an (well, illegal, but I DGAF) archivist, having shows intentionally lost due to pervasive greed is just... more wrong. The Wonder Years - finally published in 2021, LOTS of cuts made China Beach - published in 2013 after clearing hundreds of songs. 17 segments were cut due to licensing fuckery Northern Exposure - multiple songs redacted on republishing Pee-wee's Playhouse - multiple songs redacted on republishing Beavis and Butt-Head - DVD was a hackjob with dozens of songs changed/parodied. Cold Case - too much licensed content, cant republish Third Watch - too much licensed content, cant republish The Drew Carey Show - massive music rights issues, cant republish Malcolm in the Middle - massive music rights issues, cant republish Little Monsters (1989) - massive music rights issues, cant republish Heavy Metal (1981) - tons of rights issues, cant republish Kids Incorporated / Class of 1999 2 - tons of rights issues, cant republish
        lstodd 3mo ago
        This. Once you're into not-currently-selling stuff, as in some original cuts for example, piracy is the only way possible and is in every way better on top of that. It works. And it does not preclude you from paying original creators. Want to send some btc to someone? Want to help with a road trip? Want to help shooting the next season of whatever? Want to fund it outright? No problem.
        nik282000 3mo ago
        I'd like to add Daria to that list. Most of the music has rights issuses and the DVD release has had it all replaced with generic 90s music-like filler.
iainmerrick 3mo ago
jaywalking in front of your house is illegal In most parts of the world it’s not illegal. That’s a seriously draconian law.
Schiendelman 3mo ago
Crossing the street in a residential neighborhood is legal in almost all of the world and increasingly legal in the US as well. Many major cities started with non-enforcement and some are rolling back jaywalking laws entirely.
DarkUranium 3mo ago
A rip & copy is a breach of the DMCA (because it involves circumvention of DRM, among other things) in the US, which makes it software piracy. And then they wonder why so many advocate for just skipping the "purchase" step when the end result is legally the same.

ahtihn 3mo ago

> BluRay no, because your player's keys can be revoked when you pop in a new disc Wait what? How? How is that possibly legal?

gsich 3mo ago
This was planned for DVDs too, but they failed miserably. In any other case: use MakeMKV
kevin_thibedeau 3mo ago
Key revocation applies to releases published after the revocation date. Old media should continue playing with a compromised device key.
- ahtihn 3mo ago
  That wasn't what was implied then. If old media continues playing then it's still "forever".

Anechoic 3mo ago

DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades. Which is the same constraint as pretty much any other physical item one might purchase. "reasonably a forever" is a reasonable description.

threetonesun 3mo ago
I know it's not the point you're making but I would enjoy a post-apocalyptic post-AI movie where they pass on the lesson of the dangers of AI through an oral recounting or stage production of T2.