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>Criminals used to speak in code, meet clandestine, use burner phones and websites were easy to shut down. And none of these things were ever made illegal. >O

>Criminals used to speak in code, meet clandestine, use burner phones and websites were easy to shut down. And none of these things were ever made illegal. >Ordinary people do not care about e2ee. I am an ordinary person, and I care about the right to be secure and private in my communications. The founders of the United States put it in our Bill of Rights. Mail in America can't just be read without a warrant; it is protected by the 4th Amendment.

ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
> And none of these things were ever made illegal. Those things are barriers that make it more difficult to be criminal. We're talking about a factor that removes those barriers and makes it easier.
- ligne 3mo ago
  Not sure it's ever been particularly difficult to be a criminal. If anything, the tricky part has always been establishing who you can and can't trust.
  - ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
    You don't need to trust people as much with an e2ee app. Especially if you use it to deliver the goods and use crypto to get paid.
- buellerbueller 3mo ago
  What are you talking about? Thieves' cant, burner phone, clandestine meetings--these are all things that make crime easier, and none of them are illegal. We ban crime, not things that allow crime.
  - ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
    How is it complicated? Having to do these things made crime difficult. There's higher barrier to entry and cost to pay. It's more difficult to scale across borders. Not having to do them makes it easier.
    - buellerbueller 3mo ago
      The internet makes crime easier; should we ban it too? Before cars, you could only steal what you could carry--maybe we should abolish cars too. "Barrier to entry for crime" is not a useful metric, because it encompasses so many things. Or do you want a police state?
      - ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
        You forget that internet makes police work easier too and there's processes for shutting down a dark market website for example With e2ee though it's not like that

ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago

> And none of these things were ever made illegal. Those things are barriers that make it more difficult to be criminal. We're talking about a factor that removes those barriers and makes it easier.

ligne 3mo ago
Not sure it's ever been particularly difficult to be a criminal. If anything, the tricky part has always been establishing who you can and can't trust.
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
  You don't need to trust people as much with an e2ee app. Especially if you use it to deliver the goods and use crypto to get paid.
buellerbueller 3mo ago
What are you talking about? Thieves' cant, burner phone, clandestine meetings--these are all things that make crime easier, and none of them are illegal. We ban crime, not things that allow crime.
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
  How is it complicated? Having to do these things made crime difficult. There's higher barrier to entry and cost to pay. It's more difficult to scale across borders. Not having to do them makes it easier.
  - buellerbueller 3mo ago
    The internet makes crime easier; should we ban it too? Before cars, you could only steal what you could carry--maybe we should abolish cars too. "Barrier to entry for crime" is not a useful metric, because it encompasses so many things. Or do you want a police state?
    - ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
      You forget that internet makes police work easier too and there's processes for shutting down a dark market website for example With e2ee though it's not like that