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This is another problem with letting private entities be the arbitrator. How is Google supposed to know if Ellie Piee is a real person? It can ask for ID verifi

by pibaker 4mo ago

This is another problem with letting private entities be the arbitrator. How is Google supposed to know if Ellie Piee is a real person? It can ask for ID verification of course, but these can be faked, and when that happens there is little Google can do to hold the claimant accountable. A court will certainly have an easier time verifying the identity of the claimant and take action when fraud occurs.

Geezus_42 4mo ago
We already have private entities checking IDs everyday for all kinds of things. That is a solved problem.
nextaccountic 4mo ago
How are banks supposed to know if Ellie Piee is a real person? Actually How is Google supposed to know if Ellie Piee is a real person when Ellie Piee pays for a Google product? Or otherwise uses a Google service that requires identity
buran77 4mo ago
> How is Google supposed to know if Ellie Piee is a real person? That doesn't really matter. Anyway it's silly to question whether Google, a multi-trillion dollar company, can validate someone's ID when they already do it in many other aspects of their business. But is Google treating some claims different from others? Are Ellie Piee's claim against Gergely Orosz's article, and the latter's appeal treated exactly the same as any other? In other words, if I use an obviously bogus identity to make DMCA claims against Google content on their own platforms, will they immediately take it down and then go through the same standard appeal process? If not, then the system isn't "abused" it's used exactly as it was designed to be used. In an asymmetrical manner to the benefit of some. So the real question isn't "how can Google validate an identity", it's "why is Google treating some different from others"? It sure isn't an accident.
- FireBeyond 4mo ago
  Google has no problems "verifying" me with mapping to my phone number, etc. (Actually, it does, after a long and storied startup career, I can no longer create a new Google account because my phone number "has been used too often"). There's also the asymmetry of "you don't need to supply ID to make a DMCA claim, but you will to appeal it", which people can and have used to discover identities for more harassment.
  - tanseydavid 4mo ago
    There should be verification that: * the reporter actually exists * and is in fact who claim to be * and ALSO that they have control of the copyright in question If any of these is not required then asymmetry is far too much.

by pibaker 4mo ago

Geezus_42 4mo ago

We already have private entities checking IDs everyday for all kinds of things. That is a solved problem.

nextaccountic 4mo ago

How are banks supposed to know if Ellie Piee is a real person? Actually How is Google supposed to know if Ellie Piee is a real person when Ellie Piee pays for a Google product? Or otherwise uses a Google service that requires identity

buran77 4mo ago

> How is Google supposed to know if Ellie Piee is a real person? That doesn't really matter. Anyway it's silly to question whether Google, a multi-trillion dollar company, can validate someone's ID when they already do it in many other aspects of their business. But is Google treating some claims different from others? Are Ellie Piee's claim against Gergely Orosz's article, and the latter's appeal treated exactly the same as any other? In other words, if I use an obviously bogus identity to make DMCA claims against Google content on their own platforms, will they immediately take it down and then go through the same standard appeal process? If not, then the system isn't "abused" it's used exactly as it was designed to be used. In an asymmetrical manner to the benefit of some. So the real question isn't "how can Google validate an identity", it's "why is Google treating some different from others"? It sure isn't an accident.

FireBeyond 4mo ago
Google has no problems "verifying" me with mapping to my phone number, etc. (Actually, it does, after a long and storied startup career, I can no longer create a new Google account because my phone number "has been used too often"). There's also the asymmetry of "you don't need to supply ID to make a DMCA claim, but you will to appeal it", which people can and have used to discover identities for more harassment.
- tanseydavid 4mo ago
  There should be verification that: * the reporter actually exists * and is in fact who claim to be * and ALSO that they have control of the copyright in question If any of these is not required then asymmetry is far too much.