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The party in question seems to be an anti-immigration strongly secularist left wing party with Marxist roots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party ht

by graemep 4mo ago

The party in question seems to be an anti-immigration strongly secularist left wing party with Marxist roots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party I am not sure "far right" is an accurate label. Maybe populist? Its a mix that would probably get a lot of support in other European countries.

microgpt 4mo ago
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- Citizen_Lame 4mo ago
  Also they are anti EU and NATO. Lot of astroturfing here.
  - graemep 4mo ago
    Those are left wing positions. Until 2023 the UK's Green Party's policy was to leave NATO, and there is still a lot of support in the part for that. When the UK's Labour party was socialist they were anti-EU. If you look at campaigned for what in the 1975 referendum on EEC membership its pretty clear: for example, Thatcher campaigned to remain, Tony Benn campaigned to leave. The remnants of the old left remain anti-EU even now.
    - microgpt 4mo ago
      They're neither wing. A foo-wing person could want to leave the EU because it's too bar-wing for any values of foo and bar.
  - graemep 4mo ago
    > Lot of astroturfing here. The guidelines say "assume good faith" https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - tumetab1 4mo ago
    > Also they are anti EU and NATO. Lot of astroturfing here. At the same time, that big advertising and crony politicians are fighting to impose digital ID for all internet communications... one of the strongest privacy advocates is being attacked with non-sense. Expect EFF to be bought or attacked.
    - Citizen_Lame 4mo ago
      Two things can be true.
- graemep 4mo ago
  its not uncommon. The overtly racist parties in the UK (e.g. the BNP has quite a lot of left wing policies (e.g. nationalisation of utilities), ending NHS outsourcing to the private sector, and free healthcare. Its a combination that appeals to the worst off who compete with unskilled immigrants for jobs and rely on free healthcare etc.
- eudamoniac 4mo ago
  It is a sensible combination to me. If you first believe that the government should provide a bunch of free stuff, but it doesn't at the moment because it's too expensive, it kind of makes sense that you would then think there need to be fewer people getting the free stuff so it remains affordable. The first people on the exclusion list would naturally be noncitizens.
  - microgpt 4mo ago
    You can exclude people you don't like from free healthcare without physically removing them from the country.
    - eudamoniac 4mo ago
      You could, but in practice illegals get/use a lot of public goods that cannot be reasonably gated. The "means testing costs more than just giving welfare" argument is cited. Plus things like public schools, parks, transportation don't require ID to use. Having an ID is not guaranteed, as voting advocates often point out.
    - addedGone 4mo ago
      You can't, else it would mean if someone smash you in the street with a car and you don't carry an ID on you, they wouldn't treat you.
- hackinthebochs 4mo ago
  As it turns out you can't have strong socialist policies and also open borders.

by graemep 4mo ago

microgpt 4mo ago

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Citizen_Lame 4mo ago
Also they are anti EU and NATO. Lot of astroturfing here.
- graemep 4mo ago
  Those are left wing positions. Until 2023 the UK's Green Party's policy was to leave NATO, and there is still a lot of support in the part for that. When the UK's Labour party was socialist they were anti-EU. If you look at campaigned for what in the 1975 referendum on EEC membership its pretty clear: for example, Thatcher campaigned to remain, Tony Benn campaigned to leave. The remnants of the old left remain anti-EU even now.
  - microgpt 4mo ago
    They're neither wing. A foo-wing person could want to leave the EU because it's too bar-wing for any values of foo and bar.
- graemep 4mo ago
  > Lot of astroturfing here. The guidelines say "assume good faith" https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- tumetab1 4mo ago
  > Also they are anti EU and NATO. Lot of astroturfing here. At the same time, that big advertising and crony politicians are fighting to impose digital ID for all internet communications... one of the strongest privacy advocates is being attacked with non-sense. Expect EFF to be bought or attacked.
  - Citizen_Lame 4mo ago
    Two things can be true.
graemep 4mo ago
its not uncommon. The overtly racist parties in the UK (e.g. the BNP has quite a lot of left wing policies (e.g. nationalisation of utilities), ending NHS outsourcing to the private sector, and free healthcare. Its a combination that appeals to the worst off who compete with unskilled immigrants for jobs and rely on free healthcare etc.
eudamoniac 4mo ago
It is a sensible combination to me. If you first believe that the government should provide a bunch of free stuff, but it doesn't at the moment because it's too expensive, it kind of makes sense that you would then think there need to be fewer people getting the free stuff so it remains affordable. The first people on the exclusion list would naturally be noncitizens.
- microgpt 4mo ago
  You can exclude people you don't like from free healthcare without physically removing them from the country.
  - eudamoniac 4mo ago
    You could, but in practice illegals get/use a lot of public goods that cannot be reasonably gated. The "means testing costs more than just giving welfare" argument is cited. Plus things like public schools, parks, transportation don't require ID to use. Having an ID is not guaranteed, as voting advocates often point out.
  - addedGone 4mo ago
    You can't, else it would mean if someone smash you in the street with a car and you don't carry an ID on you, they wouldn't treat you.
hackinthebochs 4mo ago
As it turns out you can't have strong socialist policies and also open borders.