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The last take-home test I did was for EE364a: Convex Optimization. It was a 24 hour test, and I had a cold. I booked a hotel room as my apartment didn't have ai
by aabajian 3mo ago
The last take-home test I did was for EE364a: Convex Optimization. It was a 24 hour test, and I had a cold. I booked a hotel room as my apartment didn't have air conditioning. It was brutal. I got most of the programming questions correct, but only a few of the proofs. The average of the class on this test (and most every other assignment) was 80%+. I got an A- overall in that class.
Perhaps this class isn't too hard for Stanford students, but I have to wonder about cheating when the averages on nearly every single assignment is that high. One clue was office-hours: Whenever I dropped by office hours, there was always a line (didn't matter the class). I quickly learned that TAs would often drop a hint that would make particularly hard problems easy to complete. It provided an unfair advantage to students who could attend office hours.
It also reminds me of the huge scam of cheating on the USMLE amongst Nepali medical students: https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/113627 https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/113627
I've met many wonderful international medical graduates. Many have shockingly high USMLE scores. It is true that there's no time limit on their preparation (U.S. students have under 2 years to prepare during medical school, international students may wait years after graduation before taking the exam). Before that scandal, I never would've thought someone could cheat on the USMLE. Prometric test centers are crazy locked-down. But that's not how they did it. They did the long-game. Prior test takers would remember a handful of questions and just add them to a secret database. After many years, that database contained nearly every question on the exam. Test takers would work extremely hard - memorizing every single question. The reward of a U.S. residency is life-changing, I get why cheating was(is?) so rampant.
- sixtram 3mo agoIs it really cheating if you work hard and memorize all the questions? That's basically learning.
- argee 3mo agoAlmost sounds like a bunch of people crowdsourced a better textbook than was otherwise available to them. If your database is truly "secret" how are people going to add to it or benefit from it?
- anal_reactor 3mo agoI never understood the concept of "learning questions from previous years is cheating". Like, does the entire field of study answer hundred questions and that's it? Or is the professor just too lazy to invent new questions each year?
- utopiah 3mo agoSure if the field of study is about memorization, you did learn. I'm not sure that exists though. There are challenges where that is indeed the entire "field", e.g. Pi digits competition, but otherwise for most if not all fields, it is about having enough knowledge to answer questions that have no yet encountered. They might be variations of questions you know but they are not verbatim the same. Ideally learning about a field should even lead you to be able to consider, warranting you would have the resources to do so (e.g. time, experimental setup, etc), actual unanswered questions from the field. So no, IMHO in most cases memorization is not learning.
- eunos 3mo agoright if i 'refactor' the question a bit so that it's peripheral, is that cheating?