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Age restriction puts the burden and punishment on citizens. Your proposal to punish parents does the same. How about a solution that puts burden on corporatio
by Grombobulous 4mo ago
Age restriction puts the burden and punishment on citizens.
Your proposal to punish parents does the same.
How about a solution that puts burden on corporations for once?
- yunnpp 4mo agoBingo. And now GP should go look who is behind age verification and ponder why they'd be pushing for this if it didn't benefit them.
- kelseyfrog 4mo agoBecause corporations don't have children? Incentivizing parents to parent aligns the obligation, agency, and responsibility. People who don't want that level of responsibility can not have children.
- idle_zealot 4mo agoI don't know, if the biggest companies in the world were setting up outside schools and in cul-de-sacs and aggressively selling colorful heroin with cartoon mascots my first reaction wouldn't be to blame parents for failing to prevent the childhood heroin addiction epidemic and call for arresting them. I think it would be more fair and useful to focus enforcement on the parties with power making intentional decisions to make the world a worse place. I guess that makes me anti-agency and anti-responsibility though.
- Grombobulous 4mo agoCertainly a lot of people do need to approach parenting better. However, I simultaneously think that a lot of “personal responsibility” culture is very convenient ideology for corporations. Nothing is ever their fault. Everything is a failing of personal obligation, agency, and responsibility. A whole bunch of things that make good parenting so difficult are directly the fault of corporations. There is zero mandatory paid parental leave in the United States. I wonder how much corporate money goes into maintaining that status quo?
- kelseyfrog 4mo agoA lack of age checks and zero legal liability for giving kids access to social media is the current state. Which is to say a big "Too bad!" to the kids who have access to social media now.
- xbar 4mo agoBecause there are bad parents, all people must give up all anonymity? You are asking for society to bear the burdens of the people you want to change. That is bad policy.
- kelseyfrog 4mo agoParents can still be held legally liable without any online age checks. Expanding criminal neglect to include social media access is in lieu of age verification.
- paytonjjones 4mo agoThat's great messaging, but what exactly are you materially proposing that's different? If you make corporations liable for minors using their product, they're just going to require identity verification to use their product, and we're back to effectively the same proposal, right? Unless I've misunderstood you.
- Grombobulous 4mo agoI am specifically not proposing any material solution. It seems like it’s been easy for every corporate-backed actor to come up with solutions that burden everyday citizens. Now we’re yet again burdened to solve a problem corporations created.
- deepsun 4mo agoAnd that's fine. I'm pretty sure my nephew's high school friends will all quit Facebook for once and move to a decentralized platform or even install their own servers. The teenagers can go pretty far and learn advanced stuff if they want to. I bet their minecraft home is more complex. And I already know their opinion on the age restrictions.