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The logic of trusting employees who are worried that power tools will replace them to utilize power tools effectively is completely backwards in any sane world.

The logic of trusting employees who are worried that power tools will replace them to utilize power tools effectively is completely backwards in any sane world. People don’t like change, sometimes it needs to be forced on them.

dijksterhuis 4mo ago
> who are worried that power tools will replace them maybe, just maybe, it would have been a better idea to engage with employees first rather than posting on linkedin about how everyone is going to lose their jobs. cos it's the kinds of people trying to force this stuff on employees that are the ones who have been shouting about that from the rooftops.
- SR2Z 4mo ago
  If you take LinkedIn at face value everyone who uses the Internet is a sociopath who lives for no purpose beyond maximizing shareholder value. Seriously, some of the most deranged things I've ever read were by relatively normal people trying to promote themselves on LinkedIn. What people SAY does not matter nearly as much as what everyone KNOWS and it's pretty damn clear that AI is never going to be able to replace humans in complex domains. Every time a frontier lab announces a breakthrough it's pretty obvious that the setup was more complicated than "hey chat prove the Riemann hypothesis." The world is gonna need skilled human beings to drive LLMs, no matter how desperately some people like to pretend otherwise.
agentultra 4mo ago
Doubt. People brought in all kinds of web applications in the early Web 2.0 era because corporate IT was being too stingy (for a lot of reasons). People will find efficiencies on their job on their own. No need to denigrate them.
- HDThoreaun 4mo ago
  I don’t know, at my company at least tons of devs were holding out on ai usage until the token maxing stuff really started. It was beyond clear by that point that coding agents were a productivity multiplier.
  - agentultra 4mo ago
    A lot of people believe that. Not a lot of evidence on the table for it (it’s not agent developers’ fault; empirical studies are expensive and rarely live up to scrutiny). Not sure it’s worth forcing people unless you like malicious compliance.
    - HDThoreaun 4mo ago
      Well here’s where you can level valid complaints against management I think. “Move fast and break things” doesn’t line up super well with “wait for empirical studies to back up your suspicions”
      - agentultra 4mo ago
        For sure. Just because the studies are incomplete or difficult doesn’t mean they’re useless. We still do unit testing and type systems continue to get more sophisticated and spread further because we believe they have an effect on quality and productivity regardless of the lack of evidence. However it takes some taste in engineering and perhaps some mathematical sophistication to figure these things out. “Just use AI,” is not a very convincing argument either. It’ll take time to sort out, I wager.
  - llama052 4mo ago
    “Beyond clear” I wouldn’t say that confidently. Even now I’m not sure I agree with that, especially looking at it long term.
- shimman 4mo ago
  Yeah but if you can't attack the workers and make them hate their lives, are you even a good capitalist? Didn't Milton Friedman die for our bosses right to stomp on our faces in the pursuit of profit?
  - agentultra 4mo ago
    Alienation is inherent to the system.

dijksterhuis 4mo ago

> who are worried that power tools will replace them maybe, just maybe, it would have been a better idea to engage with employees first rather than posting on linkedin about how everyone is going to lose their jobs. cos it's the kinds of people trying to force this stuff on employees that are the ones who have been shouting about that from the rooftops.

SR2Z 4mo ago
If you take LinkedIn at face value everyone who uses the Internet is a sociopath who lives for no purpose beyond maximizing shareholder value. Seriously, some of the most deranged things I've ever read were by relatively normal people trying to promote themselves on LinkedIn. What people SAY does not matter nearly as much as what everyone KNOWS and it's pretty damn clear that AI is never going to be able to replace humans in complex domains. Every time a frontier lab announces a breakthrough it's pretty obvious that the setup was more complicated than "hey chat prove the Riemann hypothesis." The world is gonna need skilled human beings to drive LLMs, no matter how desperately some people like to pretend otherwise.

agentultra 4mo ago

Doubt. People brought in all kinds of web applications in the early Web 2.0 era because corporate IT was being too stingy (for a lot of reasons). People will find efficiencies on their job on their own. No need to denigrate them.

HDThoreaun 4mo ago
I don’t know, at my company at least tons of devs were holding out on ai usage until the token maxing stuff really started. It was beyond clear by that point that coding agents were a productivity multiplier.
- agentultra 4mo ago
  A lot of people believe that. Not a lot of evidence on the table for it (it’s not agent developers’ fault; empirical studies are expensive and rarely live up to scrutiny). Not sure it’s worth forcing people unless you like malicious compliance.
  - HDThoreaun 4mo ago
    Well here’s where you can level valid complaints against management I think. “Move fast and break things” doesn’t line up super well with “wait for empirical studies to back up your suspicions”
    - agentultra 4mo ago
      For sure. Just because the studies are incomplete or difficult doesn’t mean they’re useless. We still do unit testing and type systems continue to get more sophisticated and spread further because we believe they have an effect on quality and productivity regardless of the lack of evidence. However it takes some taste in engineering and perhaps some mathematical sophistication to figure these things out. “Just use AI,” is not a very convincing argument either. It’ll take time to sort out, I wager.
- llama052 4mo ago
  “Beyond clear” I wouldn’t say that confidently. Even now I’m not sure I agree with that, especially looking at it long term.
shimman 4mo ago
Yeah but if you can't attack the workers and make them hate their lives, are you even a good capitalist? Didn't Milton Friedman die for our bosses right to stomp on our faces in the pursuit of profit?
- agentultra 4mo ago
  Alienation is inherent to the system.