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I did a quick check here and it has a lower crime and a higher safety score than London and Paris. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Uni

I did a quick check here and it has a lower crime and a higher safety score than London and Paris. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=United+States&city2=New+York%2C+NY https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Uni...

nailer 3mo ago
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- sarchertech 3mo ago
  > London is a uniquely dangerous city due to Islamic terrorism and Paris due to crime. There aren’t that many comparable cities to NY. Only London and NY reach the Alpha++ world city designation. I don’t see any Islamic terror attacks in London during the year those stats are pulled from. As for Paris the crime index is high “due to crime” is a tautology.
  - nailer 3mo ago
    The point re: Paris is that most cities would look better when compared to Paris on safety. > Only London and NY reach the Alpha++ world city designation. As someone that's spent the last two decades living in both, it's a little bit of past glory. Miami is more ambitious, Lisbon is where smart international companies go. London still has great universities but they're lessened and capital goes elsewhere.
    - sarchertech 3mo ago
      > Miami is more ambitious My wife grew up there, and I worked for a company based there for years, and I can’t really even come up with a good educated guess for that that means. You could argue that London is past its prime, but you could have made that argument 75 years ago. It still retains its alpha++ designation and it’s the top ranking in the global financial centers index. But regardless neither Lisbon nor Miami is a peer to NYC right now.
      - nailer 3mo ago
        It means more people in Miami are likely to be starting businesses than people here in NYC are. I’m surprised you couldn’t come up with a guess about that.
        sarchertech 3mo ago
        Because that’s such a roundabout way of saying it had a higher startup rate. Why wouldn’t you just say that? Ambitious could mean so many things. Also it’s not relevant. Miami maybe a peer to NYC in 50-100 years, but it’s definitely not today. In the GaWC rankings it’s 4 tiers behind NYC.
        nailer 3mo ago
        > Ambitious could mean so many things. It just means ambitious. That, I would have thought fairly obviously, encompasses more startups but also people wanting to better their lives in some way. > In the GaWC rankings it’s 4 tiers behind NYC. Yes. Decline and growth take time. Skate to where the puck is going.
        sarchertech 3mo ago
        > but also people wanting to better their lives in some way. So there you go. You aren’t just walking about more startups, you’re talking about the vibe you get from the people living there which is, so easily influenced by your own bubble that it’s not worth considering. I didn’t guess that’s you meant because how could you be in any way confident enough to make that statement. As a counter anecdote I know dozens of people from Miami very well, and there’s nothing about them that strikes me as ambitious. It could just be that the people I know (my wife’s friends and family, and coworkers from a startup) aren’t particularly ambitious. But it could equally be true that the people you know from my Miami are the anomaly. A specific measure like startup rate could just be caused by the regulatory environment in Florida, or any number of things that have nothing to do with the overall level of ambition in Miami. >Skate to where the puck is going. Well sure if you’re trying to invest in real estate or something. But I’m talking about finding a city that is comparable to NYC today to compare crime rates.
derektank 3mo ago
The only two statistics I trust for comparing crime prevalence across municipalities (let alone countries) are homicide and grand theft auto rates. Most other crimes suffer from differences in classification/definition, reporting procedures, or willingness of residents to report them to the police. Homicides and grand theft auto by comparison are very consistently reported and stand in well for violent crime and property crime respectively. So when it comes to concerns of safety, I’m going to trust the recorded homicide rate much more than whatever metrics feed into numbeo’s index. And NYC has a homicide rate nearly three times as high as either London or Paris. That’s much better than many cities in America, which can surpass 5 or even 10 murders per 100k residents a year, but it’s still more dangerous than most European cities and substantially so.
- sarchertech 3mo ago
  Car theft isn’t great for comparison because of vastly different car ownership rates, different kinds of cars, values etc… For example, from 2019 to 2022 car thefts skyrocketed while other property crimes declined. Mostly because people figured out that Kia’s during that time were really easy to steal. > Most other crimes suffer from differences in classification/definition, reporting procedures, or willingness of residents to report them to the police. From what I can tell they use victim impact surveys and other surveys as well as crime reported to police to ameliorate that. >homicide rate Your theory is called the tip of the iceberg theory and it isn’t meritless but it isn’t very reliable either. Different studies show different correlations between murder and different types of violent crime. But the correlation in general is only moderate even within a country. Across counties, it’s much lower. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43576-023-00086-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43576-023-00086-1 In the US guns are much more common, than in Europe, so so a crime like attempted murder that is highly correlated with murder within the US isn’t going to be highly correlated across the US and Europe. For example, if it takes 3 attempted murders in a city with easy gun access to produce 1 murder, it might take 10 in a city where guns are hard to get. So you could be underestimating the attempted murder rate in that city by 3x.

nailer 3mo ago

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sarchertech 3mo ago
> London is a uniquely dangerous city due to Islamic terrorism and Paris due to crime. There aren’t that many comparable cities to NY. Only London and NY reach the Alpha++ world city designation. I don’t see any Islamic terror attacks in London during the year those stats are pulled from. As for Paris the crime index is high “due to crime” is a tautology.
- nailer 3mo ago
  The point re: Paris is that most cities would look better when compared to Paris on safety. > Only London and NY reach the Alpha++ world city designation. As someone that's spent the last two decades living in both, it's a little bit of past glory. Miami is more ambitious, Lisbon is where smart international companies go. London still has great universities but they're lessened and capital goes elsewhere.
  - sarchertech 3mo ago
    > Miami is more ambitious My wife grew up there, and I worked for a company based there for years, and I can’t really even come up with a good educated guess for that that means. You could argue that London is past its prime, but you could have made that argument 75 years ago. It still retains its alpha++ designation and it’s the top ranking in the global financial centers index. But regardless neither Lisbon nor Miami is a peer to NYC right now.
    - nailer 3mo ago
      It means more people in Miami are likely to be starting businesses than people here in NYC are. I’m surprised you couldn’t come up with a guess about that.
      - sarchertech 3mo ago
        Because that’s such a roundabout way of saying it had a higher startup rate. Why wouldn’t you just say that? Ambitious could mean so many things. Also it’s not relevant. Miami maybe a peer to NYC in 50-100 years, but it’s definitely not today. In the GaWC rankings it’s 4 tiers behind NYC.
        nailer 3mo ago
        > Ambitious could mean so many things. It just means ambitious. That, I would have thought fairly obviously, encompasses more startups but also people wanting to better their lives in some way. > In the GaWC rankings it’s 4 tiers behind NYC. Yes. Decline and growth take time. Skate to where the puck is going.
        sarchertech 3mo ago
        > but also people wanting to better their lives in some way. So there you go. You aren’t just walking about more startups, you’re talking about the vibe you get from the people living there which is, so easily influenced by your own bubble that it’s not worth considering. I didn’t guess that’s you meant because how could you be in any way confident enough to make that statement. As a counter anecdote I know dozens of people from Miami very well, and there’s nothing about them that strikes me as ambitious. It could just be that the people I know (my wife’s friends and family, and coworkers from a startup) aren’t particularly ambitious. But it could equally be true that the people you know from my Miami are the anomaly. A specific measure like startup rate could just be caused by the regulatory environment in Florida, or any number of things that have nothing to do with the overall level of ambition in Miami. >Skate to where the puck is going. Well sure if you’re trying to invest in real estate or something. But I’m talking about finding a city that is comparable to NYC today to compare crime rates.

derektank 3mo ago

The only two statistics I trust for comparing crime prevalence across municipalities (let alone countries) are homicide and grand theft auto rates. Most other crimes suffer from differences in classification/definition, reporting procedures, or willingness of residents to report them to the police. Homicides and grand theft auto by comparison are very consistently reported and stand in well for violent crime and property crime respectively. So when it comes to concerns of safety, I’m going to trust the recorded homicide rate much more than whatever metrics feed into numbeo’s index. And NYC has a homicide rate nearly three times as high as either London or Paris. That’s much better than many cities in America, which can surpass 5 or even 10 murders per 100k residents a year, but it’s still more dangerous than most European cities and substantially so.

sarchertech 3mo ago
Car theft isn’t great for comparison because of vastly different car ownership rates, different kinds of cars, values etc… For example, from 2019 to 2022 car thefts skyrocketed while other property crimes declined. Mostly because people figured out that Kia’s during that time were really easy to steal. > Most other crimes suffer from differences in classification/definition, reporting procedures, or willingness of residents to report them to the police. From what I can tell they use victim impact surveys and other surveys as well as crime reported to police to ameliorate that. >homicide rate Your theory is called the tip of the iceberg theory and it isn’t meritless but it isn’t very reliable either. Different studies show different correlations between murder and different types of violent crime. But the correlation in general is only moderate even within a country. Across counties, it’s much lower. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43576-023-00086-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43576-023-00086-1 In the US guns are much more common, than in Europe, so so a crime like attempted murder that is highly correlated with murder within the US isn’t going to be highly correlated across the US and Europe. For example, if it takes 3 attempted murders in a city with easy gun access to produce 1 murder, it might take 10 in a city where guns are hard to get. So you could be underestimating the attempted murder rate in that city by 3x.