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Maybe I just have abnormal leverage but I've never had after hours coms be an issue. I've had two phone for basically all my working life and just don't look a

by Havoc 4mo ago

Maybe I just have abnormal leverage but I've never had after hours coms be an issue. I've had two phone for basically all my working life and just don't look at it outside of work hours. Don't think I've ever been challenged on why are you not reading after hour messages. Everyone around me is professional enough to know that its a discussion that would go poorly.

tough 4mo ago
You probably have been just lucky with your bosses? Slack also works on weekends and at the AM
cmatta 4mo ago
This is a pretty self-selecting group, so I'm not surprised that most people reading this don't have a problem with after-hours coms. If you've ever worked in hospitality or retail, you'll know that managers will call/contact you at all hours to make sure they have coverage. It's irritating.
- yamillove 4mo ago
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  - shimman 4mo ago
    Telling people they should get a better job implies that there is work where YOU think the workers deserve to be taken advantage of. Why IDK, guessing you hate people fighting for better quality of life through democratic norms. People rightfully hating tech workers nowadays makes so much sense.
    - yamillove 4mo ago
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- tbrownaw 4mo ago
  > If you've ever worked in hospitality or retail, you'll know that managers will call/contact you at all hours to make sure they have coverage. It's irritating. I vaguely remember a few years ago there was some news pushing new scheduling software that was supposed to help make schedules more predictable, and how it wasn't working to full potential because store managers wouldn't trust it. But I don't think the bill in question here would actually do anything to affect that issue?
tbrownaw 4mo ago
> Maybe I just have abnormal leverage It could also be a personality thing or a worldview thing. Some people just have a hard time saying "no" in general, or are constantly looking for reasons to jump at shadows. Or there's people teaching that the world runs on class warfare and anyone with any amount of power is always looking for an excuse to abuse that power.
Spooky23 4mo ago
Your fortunate. If you’re adjacent to operations or power, after hours comms is a common experience.
- yamillove 4mo ago
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  - shimman 4mo ago
    This is a stupid rebuttal. Society is allowed to improve the life work workers while working. Just because you want people to personally suffer doesn't make it right. This is some old school puritan classism right here.
    - yamillove 4mo ago
      “ because you want people to personally suffer” I never said I want people to suffer. I think your position is stupid because it will cause suffering through layoffs. Very rarely has government intervention worked recently. But I guess you think these workers are stupid too and can’t take care of themselves. Just get off their backs, I promise you they can handle without your performative outrage. “ Society is allowed to improve the life work workers while working” This is not society doing anything. This is literally a politician that is advocating for government intervention in the economy.
  - Spooky23 4mo ago
    Not always. I found myself in a job with golden handcuffs that made it difficult to leave, which went from the best job of my life to a nightmare on earth when a key leader passed away and replaced by someone whose sociopathy was one of his better attributes. His insane pace put my boss in the hospital from the stress.
    - yamillove 4mo ago
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dboreham 4mo ago
As an employer (in the US) I have always had the impression that I'd risk being on the hook for overtime or some other form of additional compensation if I routinely engaged in communication with employees out of hours, so unless the place was on fire I never did. As an "employee" (contractor) I managed my own hours and adopted a pragmatic approach: if the client was paying $$$ I'd respond if it didn't interfere with my personal life, unless they were being dickish about it, in which case I'd bring it up as an issue and if necessary drop the client.
nunez 4mo ago
Loads of jobs where this is expected: sales, education, hospitality, definitely the entertainment industry, etc.

by Havoc 4mo ago

tough 4mo ago

You probably have been just lucky with your bosses? Slack also works on weekends and at the AM

cmatta 4mo ago

This is a pretty self-selecting group, so I'm not surprised that most people reading this don't have a problem with after-hours coms. If you've ever worked in hospitality or retail, you'll know that managers will call/contact you at all hours to make sure they have coverage. It's irritating.

yamillove 4mo ago
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- shimman 4mo ago
  Telling people they should get a better job implies that there is work where YOU think the workers deserve to be taken advantage of. Why IDK, guessing you hate people fighting for better quality of life through democratic norms. People rightfully hating tech workers nowadays makes so much sense.
  - yamillove 4mo ago
    [flagged]
tbrownaw 4mo ago
> If you've ever worked in hospitality or retail, you'll know that managers will call/contact you at all hours to make sure they have coverage. It's irritating. I vaguely remember a few years ago there was some news pushing new scheduling software that was supposed to help make schedules more predictable, and how it wasn't working to full potential because store managers wouldn't trust it. But I don't think the bill in question here would actually do anything to affect that issue?

tbrownaw 4mo ago

> Maybe I just have abnormal leverage It could also be a personality thing or a worldview thing. Some people just have a hard time saying "no" in general, or are constantly looking for reasons to jump at shadows. Or there's people teaching that the world runs on class warfare and anyone with any amount of power is always looking for an excuse to abuse that power.

Spooky23 4mo ago

Your fortunate. If you’re adjacent to operations or power, after hours comms is a common experience.

yamillove 4mo ago
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- shimman 4mo ago
  This is a stupid rebuttal. Society is allowed to improve the life work workers while working. Just because you want people to personally suffer doesn't make it right. This is some old school puritan classism right here.
  - yamillove 4mo ago
    “ because you want people to personally suffer” I never said I want people to suffer. I think your position is stupid because it will cause suffering through layoffs. Very rarely has government intervention worked recently. But I guess you think these workers are stupid too and can’t take care of themselves. Just get off their backs, I promise you they can handle without your performative outrage. “ Society is allowed to improve the life work workers while working” This is not society doing anything. This is literally a politician that is advocating for government intervention in the economy.
- Spooky23 4mo ago
  Not always. I found myself in a job with golden handcuffs that made it difficult to leave, which went from the best job of my life to a nightmare on earth when a key leader passed away and replaced by someone whose sociopathy was one of his better attributes. His insane pace put my boss in the hospital from the stress.
  - yamillove 4mo ago
    [dead]

dboreham 4mo ago

As an employer (in the US) I have always had the impression that I'd risk being on the hook for overtime or some other form of additional compensation if I routinely engaged in communication with employees out of hours, so unless the place was on fire I never did. As an "employee" (contractor) I managed my own hours and adopted a pragmatic approach: if the client was paying $$$ I'd respond if it didn't interfere with my personal life, unless they were being dickish about it, in which case I'd bring it up as an issue and if necessary drop the client.

nunez 4mo ago

Loads of jobs where this is expected: sales, education, hospitality, definitely the entertainment industry, etc.