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It sets dangerous precedent Edit: guys, it was a joke! /s

by bflesch 3mo ago

enraged_camel 3mo ago
Ah yes, the dangerous precedent of... doing something about obscene and extreme wealth inequality.
chabes 3mo ago
How so?
trescenzi 3mo ago
Dangerous to whom exactly?
- deleted 3mo ago
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- rcpt 3mo ago
  Anyone who's not able to populism their way into a cash blast for their org. I am not a billionaire. But I don't want to risk losing my job or moving out of state so that the dialysis people can cash a paycheck.
  - Avicebron 3mo ago
    Dialysis people is really interesting phrasing. Care to elaborate what you mean?
    - rcpt 3mo ago
      https://calmatters.org/health/2020/10/california-healthcare-union-proposition-23/ https://calmatters.org/health/2020/10/california-healthcare-... SEIU UHW has a history of bringing economically explosive populist slop to the ballot as a negotiating tactic. Usually it's in the form of something about dialysis clinics but this time they're trying a different angle. What about that were you specifically "interested" in?
      - Avicebron 3mo ago
        > Dialysis companies say the costly requirement would force them to close some clinics, and have so far poured $105 million into fighting the measure, arguing it amounts to a hardball move by the union to drain industry finances until clinics agree to allow their workers to unionize. Seems like the $105 millions could have been used for something more useful, like a few doctors salaries or specialized PAs at the clinics. It sounds like you consider "economically explosive populist slop" is anything that helps poor people. Which you know, I expected, but I'm glad you were able to explain yourself. In the future you can just say "let them eat cake".
        rcpt 3mo ago
        Examples of SEIU ballot box warfare + Proposition 8 (2018) + Proposition 23 (2020) + Proposition 29 (2022) Probably their best example is "Healthcare Worker Minimum Wage Drive (SB 525)". They created a bunch of populist local initiatives about minimum that would have been a logistical nightmare for hospitals. In exchange for pulling their measures they got SB 525 passed as a truce. I hate these tactics. California direct democracy is awful yes, but the way this group weaponizes it is downright disgusting. > It sounds like you consider "economically explosive populist slop" is anything that helps poor people. But honestly it sounds like you're just flat out not interested. You are the perfect target for their bullshit and I'm sure they couldn't be happier about whatever is in your head
  - robocat 3mo ago
    Apparently the leading cause of needing dialysis is diabetic nephropathy. Who gets the blame for diabetes these days? Are they taxing the bastards that push sugar?? Does anyone get a tax rebate if they choose to eat well and exercise regularly to avoid diabetes? On topic: if voters shift to a scarcity mindset (shifting higher on the Belief in a Zero-Sum Game BZSG scale), California's growth might become as economically dynamic as Bulgaria or Romania.
- xhkkffbf 3mo ago
  People who want to use the current system to innovate and create jobs. The current system of venture capital often produces these situations when people have a huge amount paper "wealth". But this wealth is all pretty hypothetical. It's not like some of the "billionaires" can buy 1 billion things from the McDonald's Dollar Menu. It's all tied up in stock that can't be sold for a variety of reasons. Moreover, it's quite likely that the "billionaire" will end up with far less than $1b when he/she retires, even if everything is wildly successful. Yet that big number encourages greedheads to try to tax something that doesn't really exist.
  - the_gastropod 3mo ago
    The “greedheads” are the ones wanting people to pay their fair share of taxes, and not the people who’ve hoarded billions in wealth, and are using some of that wealth to fight to continue tax avoidance?
dominotw 3mo ago
good

It sets dangerous precedent Edit: guys, it was a joke! /s

by bflesch 3mo ago

It sets dangerous precedent Edit: guys, it was a joke! /s

enraged_camel 3mo ago

Ah yes, the dangerous precedent of... doing something about obscene and extreme wealth inequality.

chabes 3mo ago

How so?

trescenzi 3mo ago

Dangerous to whom exactly?

deleted 3mo ago
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rcpt 3mo ago
Anyone who's not able to populism their way into a cash blast for their org. I am not a billionaire. But I don't want to risk losing my job or moving out of state so that the dialysis people can cash a paycheck.
- Avicebron 3mo ago
  Dialysis people is really interesting phrasing. Care to elaborate what you mean?
  - rcpt 3mo ago
    https://calmatters.org/health/2020/10/california-healthcare-union-proposition-23/ https://calmatters.org/health/2020/10/california-healthcare-... SEIU UHW has a history of bringing economically explosive populist slop to the ballot as a negotiating tactic. Usually it's in the form of something about dialysis clinics but this time they're trying a different angle. What about that were you specifically "interested" in?
    - Avicebron 3mo ago
      > Dialysis companies say the costly requirement would force them to close some clinics, and have so far poured $105 million into fighting the measure, arguing it amounts to a hardball move by the union to drain industry finances until clinics agree to allow their workers to unionize. Seems like the $105 millions could have been used for something more useful, like a few doctors salaries or specialized PAs at the clinics. It sounds like you consider "economically explosive populist slop" is anything that helps poor people. Which you know, I expected, but I'm glad you were able to explain yourself. In the future you can just say "let them eat cake".
      - rcpt 3mo ago
        Examples of SEIU ballot box warfare + Proposition 8 (2018) + Proposition 23 (2020) + Proposition 29 (2022) Probably their best example is "Healthcare Worker Minimum Wage Drive (SB 525)". They created a bunch of populist local initiatives about minimum that would have been a logistical nightmare for hospitals. In exchange for pulling their measures they got SB 525 passed as a truce. I hate these tactics. California direct democracy is awful yes, but the way this group weaponizes it is downright disgusting. > It sounds like you consider "economically explosive populist slop" is anything that helps poor people. But honestly it sounds like you're just flat out not interested. You are the perfect target for their bullshit and I'm sure they couldn't be happier about whatever is in your head
- robocat 3mo ago
  Apparently the leading cause of needing dialysis is diabetic nephropathy. Who gets the blame for diabetes these days? Are they taxing the bastards that push sugar?? Does anyone get a tax rebate if they choose to eat well and exercise regularly to avoid diabetes? On topic: if voters shift to a scarcity mindset (shifting higher on the Belief in a Zero-Sum Game BZSG scale), California's growth might become as economically dynamic as Bulgaria or Romania.
xhkkffbf 3mo ago
People who want to use the current system to innovate and create jobs. The current system of venture capital often produces these situations when people have a huge amount paper "wealth". But this wealth is all pretty hypothetical. It's not like some of the "billionaires" can buy 1 billion things from the McDonald's Dollar Menu. It's all tied up in stock that can't be sold for a variety of reasons. Moreover, it's quite likely that the "billionaire" will end up with far less than $1b when he/she retires, even if everything is wildly successful. Yet that big number encourages greedheads to try to tax something that doesn't really exist.
- the_gastropod 3mo ago
  The “greedheads” are the ones wanting people to pay their fair share of taxes, and not the people who’ve hoarded billions in wealth, and are using some of that wealth to fight to continue tax avoidance?

dominotw 3mo ago

good