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Yes. It's called a "union". They were discovered around the turn of the 20th century, caused the greatest increase in prosperity and wealth for the greatest num

Yes. It's called a "union". They were discovered around the turn of the 20th century, caused the greatest increase in prosperity and wealth for the greatest number of people of any idea in history but then we decided we were collectively too smart for all that so we're inexorably inching our way back towards children suffering in dangerous conditions to enrich a few warlords (and no, they won't pay you on time).

xhkkffbf 3mo ago
And when those "union" bosses run off with the pension fund, who do you call? Or when they insist on the dues and then use them for something else?
- sigilis 3mo ago
  A lawyer? That’s pretty obvious. It’s what you do when anyone is in breach of contract or some other civil matter. You just sue them. If it’s a criminal fraud, there’s other people who will help, we call those the authorities.
  - nxm 3mo ago
    Money is already gone
    - microgpt 3mo ago
      And then the court brings it back. Unless they're hiding in Russia?
    - sigilis 3mo ago
      Oh, did this happen to you personally? If so, you have my sympathies. If it's just a hypothetical, consider this: The money doubles and everyone laughs about it in the end.
- dccoolgai 3mo ago
  The police? Like you would call fir any crime. The union boss is also elected, so you don't vote for people that would do that. You have a lot more power/leverage in that situation than a CEO laying you off right before your options cliff, despite what the people funding whisper/fear campaigns and their shills in the media are desperate to convince you of. Point me to one example of a union boss stealing pensions and I'll bring you 100 cases of CEXs doing worse with no recourse for the victims.
  - nxm 3mo ago
    Money is gone by the time police comes
    - dccoolgai 3mo ago
      It's gone the instant the CEO takes your options by laying you off a week before they vest. ^ that has happened to me. Along with a million other slights: health care reduced, vacation time reduced, etc. etc. A hypothetical union boss running off with dues never has. Think very carefully about where this abstract fear of "bad union bosses" comes from.
  - microgpt 3mo ago
    Do you actually think the police protect workers from, well, anyone?
- djfdat 3mo ago
  What's the frequency of this happening in modern times and what are the recourses we've set in place? Are there any forms of recourse that you'd recommend be added? And what representatives are running on such platforms to add those forms of recourse for workers? Or are you just fear mongering about unions?
- dd8601fn 3mo ago
  We can look to our own history. Years of crime and corruption caused long perception and union density declines from the 50s to the late 80s, when hundreds of officials finally got RICO’d, some unions fell under government supervision, etc. They still didn’t really give up on crime and corruption, but they never really recovered in the US.

xhkkffbf 3mo ago

And when those "union" bosses run off with the pension fund, who do you call? Or when they insist on the dues and then use them for something else?

sigilis 3mo ago
A lawyer? That’s pretty obvious. It’s what you do when anyone is in breach of contract or some other civil matter. You just sue them. If it’s a criminal fraud, there’s other people who will help, we call those the authorities.
- nxm 3mo ago
  Money is already gone
  - microgpt 3mo ago
    And then the court brings it back. Unless they're hiding in Russia?
  - sigilis 3mo ago
    Oh, did this happen to you personally? If so, you have my sympathies. If it's just a hypothetical, consider this: The money doubles and everyone laughs about it in the end.
dccoolgai 3mo ago
The police? Like you would call fir any crime. The union boss is also elected, so you don't vote for people that would do that. You have a lot more power/leverage in that situation than a CEO laying you off right before your options cliff, despite what the people funding whisper/fear campaigns and their shills in the media are desperate to convince you of. Point me to one example of a union boss stealing pensions and I'll bring you 100 cases of CEXs doing worse with no recourse for the victims.
- nxm 3mo ago
  Money is gone by the time police comes
  - dccoolgai 3mo ago
    It's gone the instant the CEO takes your options by laying you off a week before they vest. ^ that has happened to me. Along with a million other slights: health care reduced, vacation time reduced, etc. etc. A hypothetical union boss running off with dues never has. Think very carefully about where this abstract fear of "bad union bosses" comes from.
- microgpt 3mo ago
  Do you actually think the police protect workers from, well, anyone?
djfdat 3mo ago
What's the frequency of this happening in modern times and what are the recourses we've set in place? Are there any forms of recourse that you'd recommend be added? And what representatives are running on such platforms to add those forms of recourse for workers? Or are you just fear mongering about unions?
dd8601fn 3mo ago
We can look to our own history. Years of crime and corruption caused long perception and union density declines from the 50s to the late 80s, when hundreds of officials finally got RICO’d, some unions fell under government supervision, etc. They still didn’t really give up on crime and corruption, but they never really recovered in the US.