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It has nothing to do with consumer hostile behaviors. Its bad when a hostile foreign government has control over and information about (think blackmail, not ad

It has nothing to do with consumer hostile behaviors. Its bad when a hostile foreign government has control over and information about (think blackmail, not ads) your citizens. A junior engineer on the x-500 future fighter jet drives a polestar and seems to be visiting the house of a single woman (which they know from tiktok days) while his family would probably think he would be at work. Will this guy throw away his family or start handing over USB keys? Any even mildly intelligent politician is going to try and block this ability.

xethos 4mo ago
> Its [sic] bad when a hostile foreign government has [...] information about [...] your citizens How many domestic automotive manufacturers does America have, and how many times has the current administration threatened annexation of their Northern "ally"? This is, at best, hypocrisy; and being on the recieving end of the annexation threats, I'm disinclined to use the most generous interpretation of America's "Rules for me but not for thee" attitude
- WarmWash 4mo ago
  You don't have to buy any American products, and can vote for politicians that want to ban American access to Canadian markets. Countries have been spying on each other (and their citizens) for centuries. Its not hypocrisy so much as run of the mill geopolitics. Also, this rule is from the Biden administration, not Trump.
  - riskd 4mo ago
    What’s your actual point here? Is it that no country should ever trust another because they can one day turn hostile? Are you advocating that all global trade of electronic-based products should be banned?
idiotsecant 4mo ago
You're being confused by nationalism into not seeing that you're making exactly the point I just did. The bad thing here is not that China knows where you are 24/7. It's that anybody does. Why is it bad for China to be able to spy on you but acceptable that Google can? The US government? How about we just STOP THE SPYING? Regardless of who is doing it?
- mikrotikker 4mo ago
  Great. But the solution is not to let china just do it while we work on the solution. Block them, and work on blocking local suppliers. Don't double the problem before you try to fix it.
  - idiotsecant 4mo ago
    You have a bacterial infection of the toe and of the finger. If i cut off your toe your foot problem is solved. Or...you can take antibiotics and not cut off anything. Like it or not, China is the world's factory now. The west has decided it doesn't want to dirty it's hands making things anymore, so it is what it is. Make reasonable, standard daylight firmware a required feature of all these devices and you simultaneously solve about a thousand problems.
_DeadFred_ 4mo ago
But GMs security of their tracking information is 100% perfect and no foreign adversary will gain access? BS. Either we need to ban it completely for all manufacturers, or we don't actually care.

xethos 4mo ago

> Its [sic] bad when a hostile foreign government has [...] information about [...] your citizens How many domestic automotive manufacturers does America have, and how many times has the current administration threatened annexation of their Northern "ally"? This is, at best, hypocrisy; and being on the recieving end of the annexation threats, I'm disinclined to use the most generous interpretation of America's "Rules for me but not for thee" attitude

WarmWash 4mo ago
You don't have to buy any American products, and can vote for politicians that want to ban American access to Canadian markets. Countries have been spying on each other (and their citizens) for centuries. Its not hypocrisy so much as run of the mill geopolitics. Also, this rule is from the Biden administration, not Trump.
- riskd 4mo ago
  What’s your actual point here? Is it that no country should ever trust another because they can one day turn hostile? Are you advocating that all global trade of electronic-based products should be banned?

idiotsecant 4mo ago

You're being confused by nationalism into not seeing that you're making exactly the point I just did. The bad thing here is not that China knows where you are 24/7. It's that anybody does. Why is it bad for China to be able to spy on you but acceptable that Google can? The US government? How about we just STOP THE SPYING? Regardless of who is doing it?

mikrotikker 4mo ago
Great. But the solution is not to let china just do it while we work on the solution. Block them, and work on blocking local suppliers. Don't double the problem before you try to fix it.
- idiotsecant 4mo ago
  You have a bacterial infection of the toe and of the finger. If i cut off your toe your foot problem is solved. Or...you can take antibiotics and not cut off anything. Like it or not, China is the world's factory now. The west has decided it doesn't want to dirty it's hands making things anymore, so it is what it is. Make reasonable, standard daylight firmware a required feature of all these devices and you simultaneously solve about a thousand problems.

_DeadFred_ 4mo ago

But GMs security of their tracking information is 100% perfect and no foreign adversary will gain access? BS. Either we need to ban it completely for all manufacturers, or we don't actually care.