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Do you know what food noise is?

by rnewme 3mo ago

faangguyindia 3mo ago
Does food noise exist in active tribal people (if so why they have less proportion of obese people?) or is it something which happens to sedentary people?
- deleted 3mo ago
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- solumunus 3mo ago
  Does drug addiction? Because food noise should be viewed through that lens, and I’m no expert but I suspect our modern non tribal life and culture is the root of our abundant addiction issues.
- kube-system 3mo ago
  I suspect it does, but their ability to act upon it is significantly different. Perhaps if they had hot pockets and Taco Bell, they would have similar problems. Addiction-like behaviors related to food transcend not only human culture but also even other species.
sublinear 3mo ago
Yes. I'm saying that it goes away when you fix your diet. Do you know what nutrients are? Deficiencies are the cause of the noise. This is an evolutionary feature, not a bug. Your body is expecting you to keep eating alternatives until you eventually stumble onto the foods that make you feel better and then keep eating those. In severe cases you might need more patience with the right foods, but if you already feel like crap and you know you just started barely eating healthier, why stop now? This search process has been somewhat disrupted by our modern environment, but it's not like the good food isn't right there. On the other hand, you don't need trial and error anymore. There's plenty of information available. You can even go see a doctor and get a blood test to confirm both your deficiencies and everything else I just said. Does that answer your question? EDIT: to reply to replies below and I am "posting too fast"... TLDR: Y'all need to see a doctor. I used to weigh 400 lbs, had a bad enough drinking problem to cause numbness in my legs (B12 deficiency to boot), and a sky high A1C. I recovered 100% after a decade of this self abuse. Doctor didn't bat an eye back then nor when I recovered a couple of years later. They see it all the time and my "success" story is very common. Most of us understandably find this all too embarrassing to shout about online. We'd get drowned out by influencers trying to sell you crap anyway. Also, sorry not trying to be callous, but long term deficiencies can cause permanent damage. If you're still experiencing "food noise" after a serious attempt at a planned diet (and magically never had any other symptoms warning you of the impending damage) I have some doubts, but that's a whole different topic.
- crooked-v 3mo ago
  > it goes away when you fix your diet. Anecdotally: no, it doesn't. Maybe it did for you. I spent most of a year once on a predesigned meal plan, and the only thing it changed about the low-key but constant food noise was better knowing when I had a safe margin to indulge a little bit.
- tsimionescu 3mo ago
  It answers the question, but you are simply wrong, as anyone who has tried to lose significant weight knows from personal experience, and as countless studies have confirmed again and again.
  - faangguyindia 3mo ago
    how many of those studies are designed to fail?
    - tsimionescu 3mo ago
      Badly designed? A lot of them, possibly. Designed to fail, intentionally? Few if any.
- rnewme 3mo ago
  My wife saw many doctors. For her the food noise is related to PCOS and insuline resistance. Ozempic helped until it didn't. You are being callous even with your disclaimer.
- theshrike79 3mo ago
  I eat a perfect diet of moslty vegetables, chicken and fish, I cook my own food and know what's in it. I just eat too much of it, because food tastes good and it's a source of dopamine for me. Like most people with food noise. Also when I get up and finish eating, within 30 minutes my brain is thinking what's going to be the next meal I eat. Food noise. Yes, some people can lose massive amounts of weight by "just eting right", my brother in law lost 20kg by just not drinking beer anymore. I haven't had a beer in 3 years and didn't lose a single kg. Food noise.
grey-area 3mo ago
The latest fad promoted by companies to sell you something?
- rnewme 3mo ago
  Eating disorders are mental health condition. Just because there are a lot of visible "false" cases, it doesn't mean that someone else is not living it for real. Your comment is insensitive
  - grey-area 3mo ago
    > Eating disorders are mental health condition. Agreed, and often the root cause is something else in a person’s life (stress, feelings of losing control etc ). Adding new labels related to food doesn’t do anything to fix the underlying conditions and if anything distracts from them and points the blame at food and physiology, which is not often the root cause of over or under eating.
    - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
      yes, and many of those root causes are not addressable.
  - serf 3mo ago
    these types of (modern) eating disorders are a product of our current market, and I think that blaming humans for eating wrong due to 'food noise' when many shelves have little else to offer is insensitive victim blaming. the perpetrators are the people selling poison under false auspices. we're not blaming people with pica for eating drywall. We're blaming profiteers for shoveling garbage into the mouth of anyone with a buck while systematically lobbying to maximize garbage advertising and minimize actual food where feasible and simultaneously incentivizing sales groups as much as is profitable -- all the while trying to convince medical professionals and scientists to produce overtly narrow results to support the public consumption through bogus 'science' papers.
    - 3mo ago

Do you know what food noise is?

by rnewme 3mo ago

Do you know what food noise is?

Does food noise exist in active tribal people (if so why they have less proportion of obese people?) or is it something which happens to sedentary people?

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solumunus 3mo ago
Does drug addiction? Because food noise should be viewed through that lens, and I’m no expert but I suspect our modern non tribal life and culture is the root of our abundant addiction issues.
kube-system 3mo ago
I suspect it does, but their ability to act upon it is significantly different. Perhaps if they had hot pockets and Taco Bell, they would have similar problems. Addiction-like behaviors related to food transcend not only human culture but also even other species.

sublinear 3mo ago

Yes. I'm saying that it goes away when you fix your diet. Do you know what nutrients are? Deficiencies are the cause of the noise. This is an evolutionary feature, not a bug. Your body is expecting you to keep eating alternatives until you eventually stumble onto the foods that make you feel better and then keep eating those. In severe cases you might need more patience with the right foods, but if you already feel like crap and you know you just started barely eating healthier, why stop now? This search process has been somewhat disrupted by our modern environment, but it's not like the good food isn't right there. On the other hand, you don't need trial and error anymore. There's plenty of information available. You can even go see a doctor and get a blood test to confirm both your deficiencies and everything else I just said. Does that answer your question? EDIT: to reply to replies below and I am "posting too fast"... TLDR: Y'all need to see a doctor. I used to weigh 400 lbs, had a bad enough drinking problem to cause numbness in my legs (B12 deficiency to boot), and a sky high A1C. I recovered 100% after a decade of this self abuse. Doctor didn't bat an eye back then nor when I recovered a couple of years later. They see it all the time and my "success" story is very common. Most of us understandably find this all too embarrassing to shout about online. We'd get drowned out by influencers trying to sell you crap anyway. Also, sorry not trying to be callous, but long term deficiencies can cause permanent damage. If you're still experiencing "food noise" after a serious attempt at a planned diet (and magically never had any other symptoms warning you of the impending damage) I have some doubts, but that's a whole different topic.

crooked-v 3mo ago
> it goes away when you fix your diet. Anecdotally: no, it doesn't. Maybe it did for you. I spent most of a year once on a predesigned meal plan, and the only thing it changed about the low-key but constant food noise was better knowing when I had a safe margin to indulge a little bit.
tsimionescu 3mo ago
It answers the question, but you are simply wrong, as anyone who has tried to lose significant weight knows from personal experience, and as countless studies have confirmed again and again.
- faangguyindia 3mo ago
  how many of those studies are designed to fail?
  - tsimionescu 3mo ago
    Badly designed? A lot of them, possibly. Designed to fail, intentionally? Few if any.
rnewme 3mo ago
My wife saw many doctors. For her the food noise is related to PCOS and insuline resistance. Ozempic helped until it didn't. You are being callous even with your disclaimer.
theshrike79 3mo ago
I eat a perfect diet of moslty vegetables, chicken and fish, I cook my own food and know what's in it. I just eat too much of it, because food tastes good and it's a source of dopamine for me. Like most people with food noise. Also when I get up and finish eating, within 30 minutes my brain is thinking what's going to be the next meal I eat. Food noise. Yes, some people can lose massive amounts of weight by "just eting right", my brother in law lost 20kg by just not drinking beer anymore. I haven't had a beer in 3 years and didn't lose a single kg. Food noise.

grey-area 3mo ago

The latest fad promoted by companies to sell you something?

rnewme 3mo ago
Eating disorders are mental health condition. Just because there are a lot of visible "false" cases, it doesn't mean that someone else is not living it for real. Your comment is insensitive
- grey-area 3mo ago
  > Eating disorders are mental health condition. Agreed, and often the root cause is something else in a person’s life (stress, feelings of losing control etc ). Adding new labels related to food doesn’t do anything to fix the underlying conditions and if anything distracts from them and points the blame at food and physiology, which is not often the root cause of over or under eating.
  - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
    yes, and many of those root causes are not addressable.
- serf 3mo ago
  these types of (modern) eating disorders are a product of our current market, and I think that blaming humans for eating wrong due to 'food noise' when many shelves have little else to offer is insensitive victim blaming. the perpetrators are the people selling poison under false auspices. we're not blaming people with pica for eating drywall. We're blaming profiteers for shoveling garbage into the mouth of anyone with a buck while systematically lobbying to maximize garbage advertising and minimize actual food where feasible and simultaneously incentivizing sales groups as much as is profitable -- all the while trying to convince medical professionals and scientists to produce overtly narrow results to support the public consumption through bogus 'science' papers.
  - 3mo ago