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Correction: it is because a major Republican donor wants Chinese cars banned, because they beat the living shit out of his offerings on quality and value. It i

Correction: it is because a major Republican donor wants Chinese cars banned, because they beat the living shit out of his offerings on quality and value. It is silly to credulously pretend that the excuse about Chinese software has even a whiff of legitimacy.

natch 3mo ago
It's hard to parse this without concluding that you are perhaps unaware that Volvo is Chinese.
- mukbangpervert 3mo ago
  I should've said competitive Chinese EVs to be precise. (Though I thought that anybody as smart as you think you are would've inferred that without issue)
- dybber 3mo ago
  They need to balance between the Silicon Valley oligarchs desires and the MAGA voters possible reactions. Banning Volvo would probably not be well received by MAGA, at least Trump would need a bit more time to build the case that these vehicles are now unreliable.
  - natch 3mo ago
    Having spent some time in California and seen things town by town at a very granular level, I think woke voters are the ones driving Volvos. So while I didn’t quite follow that reference, it’s true that if Trump were to ban them for simply being owned by China, then he’d be kind of screwed because he’d then have to ban all his own merch like the Trump phone and his made-in-China MAGA hats.
carlivar 3mo ago
Isn't this using Biden administration guidelines?
- caminante 3mo ago
  Yes. Biden did it in his last month. Disregard this parent's bias. As I mentioned above, it's not fringe to ban Chinese hardware for security concerns. They've been surreptitiously planting undisclosed control equipment. [0] No company would knowingly add more costs and complexity for nothing in return. And if the Chinese maker didn't know about the trojan tech, then it's even more concerning. [0] https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-machine-rogue-communication-devices-found-chinese-inverters-2025-05-14/ https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-...
  - mukbangpervert 3mo ago
    To be precise: Biden created an abusable system that requires waivers for Chinese software that is now being administered by the GOP. Volvo got a waiver from the Trump admin no problem. Polestar could not get their waiver from the Trump admin. I expect Polestar will eventually get their waiver, once Elon has less clout. Until then, Elon has tariffs keeping china-made EVs uncompetitive, and this program that deals with Chinese companies that setup shop in America.
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caminante 3mo ago
"Silly? Pretend?" You might want to re-evaluate your political bias. There is precedent. And it's not just the US that's concerned about Chinese stealth tech. [0] https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-machine-rogue-communication-devices-found-chinese-inverters-2025-05-14/ https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-...

natch 3mo ago

It's hard to parse this without concluding that you are perhaps unaware that Volvo is Chinese.

mukbangpervert 3mo ago
I should've said competitive Chinese EVs to be precise. (Though I thought that anybody as smart as you think you are would've inferred that without issue)
dybber 3mo ago
They need to balance between the Silicon Valley oligarchs desires and the MAGA voters possible reactions. Banning Volvo would probably not be well received by MAGA, at least Trump would need a bit more time to build the case that these vehicles are now unreliable.
- natch 3mo ago
  Having spent some time in California and seen things town by town at a very granular level, I think woke voters are the ones driving Volvos. So while I didn’t quite follow that reference, it’s true that if Trump were to ban them for simply being owned by China, then he’d be kind of screwed because he’d then have to ban all his own merch like the Trump phone and his made-in-China MAGA hats.

carlivar 3mo ago

Isn't this using Biden administration guidelines?

caminante 3mo ago
Yes. Biden did it in his last month. Disregard this parent's bias. As I mentioned above, it's not fringe to ban Chinese hardware for security concerns. They've been surreptitiously planting undisclosed control equipment. [0] No company would knowingly add more costs and complexity for nothing in return. And if the Chinese maker didn't know about the trojan tech, then it's even more concerning. [0] https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-machine-rogue-communication-devices-found-chinese-inverters-2025-05-14/ https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-...
- mukbangpervert 3mo ago
  To be precise: Biden created an abusable system that requires waivers for Chinese software that is now being administered by the GOP. Volvo got a waiver from the Trump admin no problem. Polestar could not get their waiver from the Trump admin. I expect Polestar will eventually get their waiver, once Elon has less clout. Until then, Elon has tariffs keeping china-made EVs uncompetitive, and this program that deals with Chinese companies that setup shop in America.
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caminante 3mo ago

"Silly? Pretend?" You might want to re-evaluate your political bias. There is precedent. And it's not just the US that's concerned about Chinese stealth tech. [0] https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-machine-rogue-communication-devices-found-chinese-inverters-2025-05-14/ https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/ghost-...