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It’s because the Polestar cars have a lot more electronic surveillance than the Volvo models, which have had only minor tweaks and have mostly not been updated

It’s because the Polestar cars have a lot more electronic surveillance than the Volvo models, which have had only minor tweaks and have mostly not been updated for years.

Terr_ 3mo ago
If it were just about electronic surveillance, a bunch of other cars/manufacturers would be getting impeded or at least get some sort of negative scrutiny. https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/cars/ https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/cate...
- andsoitis 3mo ago
  None of those are Chinese-owned, as far as I can tell. Polestar is predominantly Chinese-owned. Federal Connected Car Rules instituted a ban on the company selling cars in the United States.
  - killingtime74 3mo ago
    All of them are Chinese owned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geely. Geely, Polestar, Volvo, Zeekr, Smart, Lotus. All the same group
    - caminante 3mo ago
      Did you mean to reply to a different comment? I don't see any of those on the mozillafoundation page, per @andsoitis.
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      - killingtime74 3mo ago
        Oops, indeed
mukbangpervert 3mo ago
Correction: it is because a major Republican donor wants Chinese cars banned, because they beat the living shit out of his offerings on quality and value. It is silly to credulously pretend that the excuse about Chinese software has even a whiff of legitimacy.
- natch 3mo ago
  It's hard to parse this without concluding that you are perhaps unaware that Volvo is Chinese.
  - mukbangpervert 3mo ago
    I should've said competitive Chinese EVs to be precise. (Though I thought that anybody as smart as you think you are would've inferred that without issue)
  - dybber 3mo ago
    They need to balance between the Silicon Valley oligarchs desires and the MAGA voters possible reactions. Banning Volvo would probably not be well received by MAGA, at least Trump would need a bit more time to build the case that these vehicles are now unreliable.
    - natch 3mo ago
      Having spent some time in California and seen things town by town at a very granular level, I think woke voters are the ones driving Volvos. So while I didn’t quite follow that reference, it’s true that if Trump were to ban them for simply being owned by China, then he’d be kind of screwed because he’d then have to ban all his own merch like the Trump phone and his made-in-China MAGA hats.
- carlivar 3mo ago
  Isn't this using Biden administration guidelines?
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IneffablePigeon 3mo ago
Huh? Polestar and Volvo’s electric models share a very large part of their software stack, see [1]. I’ve seen forum posts talking about where the service centre accidentally loaded the Volvo software onto a Polestar. There is really quite a lot shared between the vehicles of these two companies. [1] https://insideevs.com/news/774024/volvo-software-ex90-fixes/ https://insideevs.com/news/774024/volvo-software-ex90-fixes/

It’s because the Polestar cars have a lot more electronic surveillance than the Volvo models, which have had only minor tweaks and have mostly not been updated for years.

Terr_ 3mo ago

If it were just about electronic surveillance, a bunch of other cars/manufacturers would be getting impeded or at least get some sort of negative scrutiny. https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/cars/ https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/cate...

andsoitis 3mo ago
None of those are Chinese-owned, as far as I can tell. Polestar is predominantly Chinese-owned. Federal Connected Car Rules instituted a ban on the company selling cars in the United States.
- killingtime74 3mo ago
  All of them are Chinese owned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geely. Geely, Polestar, Volvo, Zeekr, Smart, Lotus. All the same group
  - caminante 3mo ago
    Did you mean to reply to a different comment? I don't see any of those on the mozillafoundation page, per @andsoitis.
    - deleted 3mo ago
      [deleted]
    - killingtime74 3mo ago
      Oops, indeed

mukbangpervert 3mo ago

Correction: it is because a major Republican donor wants Chinese cars banned, because they beat the living shit out of his offerings on quality and value. It is silly to credulously pretend that the excuse about Chinese software has even a whiff of legitimacy.

natch 3mo ago
It's hard to parse this without concluding that you are perhaps unaware that Volvo is Chinese.
- mukbangpervert 3mo ago
  I should've said competitive Chinese EVs to be precise. (Though I thought that anybody as smart as you think you are would've inferred that without issue)
- dybber 3mo ago
  They need to balance between the Silicon Valley oligarchs desires and the MAGA voters possible reactions. Banning Volvo would probably not be well received by MAGA, at least Trump would need a bit more time to build the case that these vehicles are now unreliable.
  - natch 3mo ago
    Having spent some time in California and seen things town by town at a very granular level, I think woke voters are the ones driving Volvos. So while I didn’t quite follow that reference, it’s true that if Trump were to ban them for simply being owned by China, then he’d be kind of screwed because he’d then have to ban all his own merch like the Trump phone and his made-in-China MAGA hats.
carlivar 3mo ago
Isn't this using Biden administration guidelines?
- 3mo ago

IneffablePigeon 3mo ago

Huh? Polestar and Volvo’s electric models share a very large part of their software stack, see [1]. I’ve seen forum posts talking about where the service centre accidentally loaded the Volvo software onto a Polestar. There is really quite a lot shared between the vehicles of these two companies. [1] https://insideevs.com/news/774024/volvo-software-ex90-fixes/ https://insideevs.com/news/774024/volvo-software-ex90-fixes/