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Indian laws have the same too. For taxation 'surcharge' applied to high income groups, a patchwork called "marginal relief" fixes it [1], however, leaves range

by alok-g 4mo ago

Indian laws have the same too. For taxation 'surcharge' applied to high income groups, a patchwork called "marginal relief" fixes it [1], however, leaves ranges in income where 100% of incremental income goes away in taxes. [1] https://cleartax.in/s/marginal-relief-surcharge https://cleartax.in/s/marginal-relief-surcharge Another place where thresholding is misplaced is minors (below the age of 18 years) being subject to different laws (this is for India at least), e.g., seriously different punishments for crimes like homicide or rape. I have heard that crime groups then purposefully involve minors, push the blames on them if caught, and effectively get away for much less.

Obscurity4340 4mo ago
Why cant they just scan the minor's texts/calls, send them to therapy and rehabillitation and RICO the fuck out of their "superiors"?
- alok-g 4mo ago
  I am not sure. What I have heard is that the minor pleads guilty for the entire crime (possibly in exchange for some money behind the scenes). The broader point is that being a couple days or months younger or older than eighteen years should not result in a drastically different outcomes to begin with.
  - SiempreViernes 4mo ago
    > The broader point is that being a couple days or months younger or older than eighteen years should not result in a drastically different outcomes to begin with. The problem is that anytime you create a division there are always some cases just on the border, and if the outcome difference is sized to the difference between the centers of the classes the jump from on size of the border to another gets large. But on the other hand if the jump isn't large you end up saying that 13 year olds and 30 year olds should be treated the same, which is clearly just worse. You can try smoothing out the jump at the edges by adding more cuts and doing less changes from one step to the next, but I don't think you gain much in terms of recruitment of youths compared to just pushing the breakpoint fore lenient sentences to larger ages than 18.
    - manwe150 4mo ago
      I was on a jury for a case like that. The charges included committing the other crimes in the presence of a minor. The minor in reference was a few days away from his 18th birthday, clearly acting on his own volition, and my understanding is the minor bad already been given essentially a slap on the wrist and his record cleared when he turned 18. The judge explained after the trial was over that his sentencing has significant flexibility to take those kinds of factors into account.
- SiempreViernes 4mo ago
  Generally organised crime groups has some skill at avoiding being provably responsible for crimes, it's a precondition for remaining active.
t-3 4mo ago
> Another place where thresholding is misplaced is minors (below the age of 18 years) being subject to different laws (this is for India at least), e.g., seriously different punishments for crimes like homicide or rape. I have heard that crime groups then purposefully involve minors, push the blames on them if caught, and effectively get away for much less. This also used to be common in the US, but nowadays for (violent?) crimes minors can be charged as adults, so this kind of thing is only done for drugs and organized stealing rather than murders and violent crimes.
- loeg 4mo ago
  > This also used to be common in the US I think it more or less still is. (Memorialized in The Offspring's Come Out and Play: "If you're under 18, you won't be doing any time.") > but nowadays for (violent?) crimes minors can be charged as adults, so this kind of thing is only done for drugs and organized stealing rather than murders and violent crimes. Minors are very occasionally charged as adults, but still mostly get lesser sentences for all kinds of crimes. Gangs prefer to recruit minors, probably in part because minors are stupid/immature enough to join gang life.

by alok-g 4mo ago

Obscurity4340 4mo ago

Why cant they just scan the minor's texts/calls, send them to therapy and rehabillitation and RICO the fuck out of their "superiors"?

alok-g 4mo ago
I am not sure. What I have heard is that the minor pleads guilty for the entire crime (possibly in exchange for some money behind the scenes). The broader point is that being a couple days or months younger or older than eighteen years should not result in a drastically different outcomes to begin with.
- SiempreViernes 4mo ago
  > The broader point is that being a couple days or months younger or older than eighteen years should not result in a drastically different outcomes to begin with. The problem is that anytime you create a division there are always some cases just on the border, and if the outcome difference is sized to the difference between the centers of the classes the jump from on size of the border to another gets large. But on the other hand if the jump isn't large you end up saying that 13 year olds and 30 year olds should be treated the same, which is clearly just worse. You can try smoothing out the jump at the edges by adding more cuts and doing less changes from one step to the next, but I don't think you gain much in terms of recruitment of youths compared to just pushing the breakpoint fore lenient sentences to larger ages than 18.
  - manwe150 4mo ago
    I was on a jury for a case like that. The charges included committing the other crimes in the presence of a minor. The minor in reference was a few days away from his 18th birthday, clearly acting on his own volition, and my understanding is the minor bad already been given essentially a slap on the wrist and his record cleared when he turned 18. The judge explained after the trial was over that his sentencing has significant flexibility to take those kinds of factors into account.
SiempreViernes 4mo ago
Generally organised crime groups has some skill at avoiding being provably responsible for crimes, it's a precondition for remaining active.

t-3 4mo ago

> Another place where thresholding is misplaced is minors (below the age of 18 years) being subject to different laws (this is for India at least), e.g., seriously different punishments for crimes like homicide or rape. I have heard that crime groups then purposefully involve minors, push the blames on them if caught, and effectively get away for much less. This also used to be common in the US, but nowadays for (violent?) crimes minors can be charged as adults, so this kind of thing is only done for drugs and organized stealing rather than murders and violent crimes.

loeg 4mo ago
> This also used to be common in the US I think it more or less still is. (Memorialized in The Offspring's Come Out and Play: "If you're under 18, you won't be doing any time.") > but nowadays for (violent?) crimes minors can be charged as adults, so this kind of thing is only done for drugs and organized stealing rather than murders and violent crimes. Minors are very occasionally charged as adults, but still mostly get lesser sentences for all kinds of crimes. Gangs prefer to recruit minors, probably in part because minors are stupid/immature enough to join gang life.