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It took the literal burning down of aristocratic homes during the english reforms of 1832 for the House of Lords to finally sit down with Earl Grey and hash out

It took the literal burning down of aristocratic homes during the english reforms of 1832 for the House of Lords to finally sit down with Earl Grey and hash out a bill that would finally grant large populated cities like Manchester actual voting rights. The French Revolution was still fresh in minds of these elites - the July Monarchy having just taken place - and yet still they let it escalate to the point of near civil war.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
The point is a guillotine somewhere else is good. Guillotines at home don’t particularly hurt the rich as a class. (It’s debated whether France’s elite actually consolidated wealth and power through its revolutions.)
- dagenleg 4mo ago
  Not the best success story, granted, but socialist revolutions in China and Russian Empire had definitely hurt the rich as a class. Definitively even.
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    > socialist revolutions in China and Russian Empire had definitely hurt the rich Communist revolutions hurt the rich. As you say, they sowed the seeds of a new oppression. (It’s difficult to see how one could avoid that. If you put a group of people in charge of choosing who to execute and what property to take and give to whom, you’re going to have a tough time clawing that power back.) Broadly speaking, people angling for violent revolution in America are idiots. The rich ones who count on winding up on top take for granted the quality of their lives in a democracy. The ones who aren’t billionaires, broadly, are historically illiterate about the direction wealth concentration flows amidst violence.
- microgpt 4mo ago
  Healthcare denials plummeted for a few months after that CEO died
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    > Healthcare denials plummeted for a few months after that CEO died Source? I’ve seen this claim, but it doesn’t appear in any aggregate statistics from what I can tell. Also, middle manager with a “CEO” title. The billionaire who owns the group is fine.
sterlind 4mo ago
"A riot is the language of the unheard." ~ MLK Jr.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago

The point is a guillotine somewhere else is good. Guillotines at home don’t particularly hurt the rich as a class. (It’s debated whether France’s elite actually consolidated wealth and power through its revolutions.)

dagenleg 4mo ago
Not the best success story, granted, but socialist revolutions in China and Russian Empire had definitely hurt the rich as a class. Definitively even.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > socialist revolutions in China and Russian Empire had definitely hurt the rich Communist revolutions hurt the rich. As you say, they sowed the seeds of a new oppression. (It’s difficult to see how one could avoid that. If you put a group of people in charge of choosing who to execute and what property to take and give to whom, you’re going to have a tough time clawing that power back.) Broadly speaking, people angling for violent revolution in America are idiots. The rich ones who count on winding up on top take for granted the quality of their lives in a democracy. The ones who aren’t billionaires, broadly, are historically illiterate about the direction wealth concentration flows amidst violence.
microgpt 4mo ago
Healthcare denials plummeted for a few months after that CEO died
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > Healthcare denials plummeted for a few months after that CEO died Source? I’ve seen this claim, but it doesn’t appear in any aggregate statistics from what I can tell. Also, middle manager with a “CEO” title. The billionaire who owns the group is fine.

sterlind 4mo ago

"A riot is the language of the unheard." ~ MLK Jr.