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Everyone in this thread is getting distracted by nationalism, but you hit the nail on the head. In this case for whatever reason the Chinese AI industry is coll

Everyone in this thread is getting distracted by nationalism, but you hit the nail on the head. In this case for whatever reason the Chinese AI industry is collaborative and the American AI industry is not. This will result in the Chinese companies making progress faster. Full stop. This isn't a judgement on the merits of either system, only an observation of likely results.

tiahura 4mo ago
Hasn't that been the mantra of open source for 40 years. Armies of companies, trillions of valuation, or even just Wayland, suggest that isn't always the case.
- eikenberry 4mo ago
  So free software can only be considered a successful strategy if every single project succeeds?
- idiotsecant 4mo ago
  And yet, Linux runs approximately every ounce of computing substrate on earth
  - overfeed 4mo ago
    The Linux Foundation was bankrolled by the US government (via grants and code donations) to undermine the EU Operating System industry. Symbian was going to be amazing, until Microsoft - an American company with government links - nuked it /s
    - idiotsecant 4mo ago
      this is the part where you make a point cogent to the point to which you responded.
  - tiahura 4mo ago
    The point that I was responding to was that open sores leads to faster development. It's 2026 and "Next Year will be the year of Linux on the Desktop" since about 2000. One would have to conclude that there is little correlation b/w openness and progress speed. Sometimes open is faster, sometimes it isn't.
parineum 4mo ago
> This will result in the Chinese companies making progress faster. Full stop. Is this happening? These open models have been a generation or two behind the closed models for quite a while now. They've been keeping pace but clearly behind.
- idiotsecant 4mo ago
  They've been making enormous developments on a tiny fraction of the capital. Right now they've got no reason to devote half the electrical grid to brute forcing models when the Americans will waste their power doing that work and China can distill it for free.
  - tiahura 4mo ago
    What happens when they can't just distill from closed models?

tiahura 4mo ago

Hasn't that been the mantra of open source for 40 years. Armies of companies, trillions of valuation, or even just Wayland, suggest that isn't always the case.

eikenberry 4mo ago
So free software can only be considered a successful strategy if every single project succeeds?
idiotsecant 4mo ago
And yet, Linux runs approximately every ounce of computing substrate on earth
- overfeed 4mo ago
  The Linux Foundation was bankrolled by the US government (via grants and code donations) to undermine the EU Operating System industry. Symbian was going to be amazing, until Microsoft - an American company with government links - nuked it /s
  - idiotsecant 4mo ago
    this is the part where you make a point cogent to the point to which you responded.
- tiahura 4mo ago
  The point that I was responding to was that open sores leads to faster development. It's 2026 and "Next Year will be the year of Linux on the Desktop" since about 2000. One would have to conclude that there is little correlation b/w openness and progress speed. Sometimes open is faster, sometimes it isn't.

parineum 4mo ago

> This will result in the Chinese companies making progress faster. Full stop. Is this happening? These open models have been a generation or two behind the closed models for quite a while now. They've been keeping pace but clearly behind.

idiotsecant 4mo ago
They've been making enormous developments on a tiny fraction of the capital. Right now they've got no reason to devote half the electrical grid to brute forcing models when the Americans will waste their power doing that work and China can distill it for free.
- tiahura 4mo ago
  What happens when they can't just distill from closed models?