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Hi Fredrik, long time user of your service. I have to say, this is a disappointing message. The thing about intolerant movements is that tolerance doesn't fix
by vrganj 4mo ago
Hi Fredrik, long time user of your service.
I have to say, this is a disappointing message. The thing about intolerant movements is that tolerance doesn't fix them, it makes them worse and lets them accumulate power until they can destroy the tolerant.
I'd recommend reading Karl Popper and his Paradox of Tolerance, which he formulated after seeing this exact thing play out in his native Austria with the rise of the Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- phendrenad2 4mo ago[flagged]
- vrganj 4mo agoFascism isn't a generic term for "things I don't like". It is a very specific ideology responsible for the worst atrocities in history that needs to be ruthlessly stomped out as soon as it rears its ugly head again. This isn't about opinions or tolerance. It's about preventing crimes against humanity.
- phendrenad2 4mo agoYou're right, this isn't about X, it's about Y.
- vrganj 4mo agoPeople can just use language. Don't let clankers take it from us.
- anthonyrstevens 4mo agoThe conclusions do not follow from the premise. Show actual examples of what you are afraid of?
- storus 4mo ago[flagged]
- froh 4mo ago> against whoever is labeled as intolerant No. that's exactly not what is said. it only is applicable to organisations and people who very clearly express not only some disagreement, but their intolerance and their plan and intent to enforce suppression of dissent once in power. and then suppression of whatever they are intolerant of. and the far right very clearly announces that they will "eradicate" and "put to their (lower) place" whatever. immigrants. homosexuals. transgender humans. wom(b)en. if you tolerate _that_, even pay for it, in times of ai boosted slander, you get queers in prisons, pregnant teenagers, and a few much richer very rich people.
- account42 4mo agoSo in other words anyone whose politics you don't agree with is intolerant because you can come with hypothetical extremes in your head.
- vrganj 4mo ago> When our enemies say: well, we gave you the freedom of opinion back then - yeah, you gave it to us, that's in no way evidence that we should return the favor! Your stupidity shall not be contagious! That you granted it to us is evidence of how dumb you are! -- Joseph Goebbels, 1935 The whole point is that fascist movements will abuse your tolerance to build themselves up to a position where they can take it away from you. The only answer is to not tolerate the intolerant.
- DaSHacka 4mo agoHow ironic this quote perfectly encapsulates the inevitable conclusion to the issue of illegal immigration, which is exactly what topic of today is all about. Being tolerant of intolerant cultures won't make them return the favor once they constitute a substantial portion of government and populace.
- joinjune 4mo ago[flagged]
- vrganj 4mo agoI don't belong to any party. I come from a country that was devastated by fascists like the ones the Mullvad founder funds and history taught us anything but opposition is collaboration. Go ask the millions of people murdered in concentration camps how tolerating Nazi ideas worked out for them.
- kfreds 4mo agoHi! Thank you. Both Daniel and I are well aware of Karl Popper. We've both been interested in politics since we were teenagers.