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If your moat is “please don’t copy my outputs”, you don’t have a moat. There is no such thing as a distillation “attack”.
by pennomi 4mo ago
If your moat is “please don’t copy my outputs”, you don’t have a moat. There is no such thing as a distillation “attack”.
- steinvakt2 4mo agoHow does it differ from pirating music or movies?
- pornel 4mo agoMachine-extruded text is not copyrightable, since there was no human creativity involved in producing it. (and if you argue the US models do produce copyrighted works, then oooops - whose copyright is it huh?)
- steinvakt2 4mo agoI see. Fair point
- bethekidyouwant 4mo agoOw my head.
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- ReptileMan 4mo agoThat when I pay for a model, the copyright of the output belongs to me. This is as work for hire as it gets.
- Balinares 4mo agoAccording to US AI labs, training on other people's output is fair use. So that's how.
- Zigurd 4mo agoAI training is considered transformational. That's how AI training gets around copyright and it's probably consistent with copyright precedent. For example, indexing the web is considered transformational, even though you can recover the full text of everything in an inverted index.
- anon373839 4mo agoThere is no intellectual property to “pirate”. Model outputs don't qualify for copyright. They aren’t patented. They aren’t trade secrets - the companies sell them. They aren’t trademarks, obviously. They are nothing, actually.
- pmarreck 4mo agoHow very machiavellianist-libertarian of you. Don't even try to combine it with any notion of "leadership" then, however, since distillation is literally "copying the actual leader"
- orbital-decay 4mo agoIt really isn't, you can improve by distilling a weaker model
- anon373839 4mo agoSelf-distillation is also a technique.