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No, 1M Americans died with COVID. Not from COVID. I'm quoting the CDC on that. And that's a very different meaning. Anyway, that's counter to the study. And i

No, 1M Americans died with COVID. Not from COVID. I'm quoting the CDC on that. And that's a very different meaning. Anyway, that's counter to the study. And it's counter to the facts after Pfizer's study. Many people died from the vaccine. You can pull the data from the CDC like I did, and like many many others did. It's available as a SQL db. 27% negative outcomes in the study. Lines up pretty well with the CDC data.

preg_match 4mo ago
Can you link said study, or, like, any study? Or does it mostly just exist in your mind? Regardless, this idea that the statistics of Covid were fabricated is just baloney. No, 1 million people died FROM COVID. If you have Covid and the have major lung complications and die, then Covid killed you. Right. If someone has, say, ovarian cancer that has spread to the lungs and they die of pneumonia, then they died from ovarian cancer. That’s how that works. Covid is a somewhat deadly disease, but not too deadly. That much is true. What it is, though, is extremely contagious and a pandemic. That means hundreds of millions of people got covid in America alone. When that many people get sick, yes, the death toll will be very high. Yes that’s unfortunate. But that’s what happened, that’s why we had the urgency we had, and ignoring the truth won’t change anything about the past. What we also know is that hundreds of millions of Americans received Covid vaccines. If the death toll was higher from the vaccines like you claim, we would see that, but we just don’t. It’s just plainly untrue. I knew multiple people personally who died from Covid. I did not see anyone, or even hear of anyone, who died from the Covid vaccines. After a certain point we need to employ very basic reasoning skills to analyze what’s going on around us. If something sounds ludicrous, it might just be, and we need to do some napkin math to see if it checks out. What you’re saying just does not stand up to even the most minuscule amount of scrutiny.
- trimethylpurine 4mo ago
  This is the study in question. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
  - preg_match 4mo ago
    Doesn’t say anything even close to what you’re saying. This source supports what I am saying, and shows the Covid vaccine is: 1. Highly effective at preventing Covid 2. As safe as other viral vaccines
    - trimethylpurine 4mo ago
      27%? You interpret a nearly 1/3 incidence rate for a negative reaction to be safe?! You realize that's more than 300x higher than COVID infection as known at the time, and it's more than 30,000x as we know today? It says exactly what I'm saying. You just need to look at the numbers, if you're willing. It's sad that so many people simply can't read a research paper because they've never written one. This should be required for finishing middle school. >As safe as other viral vaccines No! Most vaccines that we give children have an incident rate less than 1/500,000! Some are less than 1/billion. It might be as safe as other COVID vaccines (RNA based), and which also had an insanely high incident rate and for the same reason. Horrifying. Truly.
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      - preg_match 4mo ago
        The 27% is for adverse effects, which includes symptoms as simple as a headache or fatigue. Bearing in mind the placebo group itself had a 12% rate of adverse effects. I legitimately don’t understand how, knowing that, you could expect a 1/500,000 rate of adverse effects. I don’t believe you’re arguing in good faith. Also, no, regular vaccines do not have an adverse effect rate of 1/500,000. Pain and discomfort is common for all vaccines. If you bother to read the conclusions sections, you’d see the risk is on-par with other viral vaccines AND the covid vaccine is highly effective. If you’re going to reply, please start off by being honest. I’m not going to argue with someone who is arguing in bad faith, it’s a waste of my time.
        trimethylpurine 4mo ago

preg_match 4mo ago

Can you link said study, or, like, any study? Or does it mostly just exist in your mind? Regardless, this idea that the statistics of Covid were fabricated is just baloney. No, 1 million people died FROM COVID. If you have Covid and the have major lung complications and die, then Covid killed you. Right. If someone has, say, ovarian cancer that has spread to the lungs and they die of pneumonia, then they died from ovarian cancer. That’s how that works. Covid is a somewhat deadly disease, but not too deadly. That much is true. What it is, though, is extremely contagious and a pandemic. That means hundreds of millions of people got covid in America alone. When that many people get sick, yes, the death toll will be very high. Yes that’s unfortunate. But that’s what happened, that’s why we had the urgency we had, and ignoring the truth won’t change anything about the past. What we also know is that hundreds of millions of Americans received Covid vaccines. If the death toll was higher from the vaccines like you claim, we would see that, but we just don’t. It’s just plainly untrue. I knew multiple people personally who died from Covid. I did not see anyone, or even hear of anyone, who died from the Covid vaccines. After a certain point we need to employ very basic reasoning skills to analyze what’s going on around us. If something sounds ludicrous, it might just be, and we need to do some napkin math to see if it checks out. What you’re saying just does not stand up to even the most minuscule amount of scrutiny.

trimethylpurine 4mo ago
This is the study in question. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
- preg_match 4mo ago
  Doesn’t say anything even close to what you’re saying. This source supports what I am saying, and shows the Covid vaccine is: 1. Highly effective at preventing Covid 2. As safe as other viral vaccines
  - trimethylpurine 4mo ago
    27%? You interpret a nearly 1/3 incidence rate for a negative reaction to be safe?! You realize that's more than 300x higher than COVID infection as known at the time, and it's more than 30,000x as we know today? It says exactly what I'm saying. You just need to look at the numbers, if you're willing. It's sad that so many people simply can't read a research paper because they've never written one. This should be required for finishing middle school. >As safe as other viral vaccines No! Most vaccines that we give children have an incident rate less than 1/500,000! Some are less than 1/billion. It might be as safe as other COVID vaccines (RNA based), and which also had an insanely high incident rate and for the same reason. Horrifying. Truly.
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    - preg_match 4mo ago
      The 27% is for adverse effects, which includes symptoms as simple as a headache or fatigue. Bearing in mind the placebo group itself had a 12% rate of adverse effects. I legitimately don’t understand how, knowing that, you could expect a 1/500,000 rate of adverse effects. I don’t believe you’re arguing in good faith. Also, no, regular vaccines do not have an adverse effect rate of 1/500,000. Pain and discomfort is common for all vaccines. If you bother to read the conclusions sections, you’d see the risk is on-par with other viral vaccines AND the covid vaccine is highly effective. If you’re going to reply, please start off by being honest. I’m not going to argue with someone who is arguing in bad faith, it’s a waste of my time.
      - trimethylpurine 4mo ago