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Number one issue of our times. I'm eternally frustrated discussion of this basic fact of our political lives is near zero in public discourse.

embedding-shape 3mo ago
Where you live? In both Spain and Sweden it's a fairly common topic in public discourse already, about how to move away from a bunch of US dependencies and so on.
- specproc 3mo ago
  In the 51st state.
  - embedding-shape 3mo ago
    Ah, so just your average HN eurobashing not based in any reality. Cheers for confirming :)
  - CalRobert 3mo ago
    ... Ireland?
- jurgenburgen 3mo ago
  Also in Finland and even in EU circles. Trump threatening to annex Greenland really woke up a lot of people. Tariffs didn’t help. Even my parents who speak no English and aren’t spending time in US-based social media have taken a break from hating Russia for the Ukraine invasion to talking about how we need to get rid of the dependency on the US. This boat is turning slowly but it won’t turn back anymore.
  - pydry 3mo ago
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    - mopsi 3mo ago
      There was nothing "American-led" about the fact that societies that had been forced by Russia into submission for the entirety of the Cold War rushed toward whatever alliances they could to prevent the same thing from ever happening again. Poland even threatened to mobilize the Polish-Americans to tank Clinton's re-election if he tried to block Poland's entry into NATO, that's how "American-led" it was. Not to mention how ridiculous the narrative of "provocation" is, I can almost hear "provokatsiya, provokatsiya" in Putin's weak and whiny old-man voice. Entry into NATO meant that NATO spent billions upon billions introducing proper civilian oversight of militaries in the new members, and other key features of first world countries. Former RU foreign minister Kozyrev hits the nail when he calls it free security for Russia.

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Number one issue of our times. I'm eternally frustrated discussion of this basic fact of our political lives is near zero in public discourse.

by specproc 3mo ago

embedding-shape 3mo ago
Where you live? In both Spain and Sweden it's a fairly common topic in public discourse already, about how to move away from a bunch of US dependencies and so on.
- specproc 3mo ago
  In the 51st state.
  - embedding-shape 3mo ago
    Ah, so just your average HN eurobashing not based in any reality. Cheers for confirming :)
  - CalRobert 3mo ago
    ... Ireland?
- jurgenburgen 3mo ago
  Also in Finland and even in EU circles. Trump threatening to annex Greenland really woke up a lot of people. Tariffs didn’t help. Even my parents who speak no English and aren’t spending time in US-based social media have taken a break from hating Russia for the Ukraine invasion to talking about how we need to get rid of the dependency on the US. This boat is turning slowly but it won’t turn back anymore.
  - pydry 3mo ago
    [flagged]
    - mopsi 3mo ago
      There was nothing "American-led" about the fact that societies that had been forced by Russia into submission for the entirety of the Cold War rushed toward whatever alliances they could to prevent the same thing from ever happening again. Poland even threatened to mobilize the Polish-Americans to tank Clinton's re-election if he tried to block Poland's entry into NATO, that's how "American-led" it was. Not to mention how ridiculous the narrative of "provocation" is, I can almost hear "provokatsiya, provokatsiya" in Putin's weak and whiny old-man voice. Entry into NATO meant that NATO spent billions upon billions introducing proper civilian oversight of militaries in the new members, and other key features of first world countries. Former RU foreign minister Kozyrev hits the nail when he calls it free security for Russia.