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I always find it strange to encounter people whose disposition to one violent imperial power is to welcome...more violent imperial powers. Strange form of sadom

I always find it strange to encounter people whose disposition to one violent imperial power is to welcome...more violent imperial powers. Strange form of sadomasochism.

well_ackshually 4mo ago
No, you're just looking forward to being the only violent imperial power and to rule unopposed. the existence of another violent imperial power keeps you on a leash. It's not the best case scenario, but an unfettered and unrestricted united states spells doom for the world. China also happens to be the one that's electrifying the world, producing and improving batteries, solar panels, has a long term plan while the US is going hurr durr VC money printing for smart dog food.
- ElProlactin 4mo ago
  > No, you're just looking forward to being the only violent imperial power and to rule unopposed. You'd probably be a much more content person if you stopped going around the internet assuming things about random strangers on the basis of their nationalities.
  - wyrdcurt 4mo ago
    Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not. If you're going to assume other people have ulterior agendas without evidence, you can't be surprised when people make assumptions about you in turn.
    - ElProlactin 4mo ago
      > Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not. Why don't you specifically point to which of my comments you're referring to? Is it my response to the dubious throwaway account https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48695288 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48695288? China is increasingly aggressive towards its neighbors, and we don't even have to talk about Taiwan. https://ipdefenseforum.com/2025/06/ccp-fighter-jets-harass-japanese-planes-with-coercive-dangerous-tactics/ https://ipdefenseforum.com/2025/06/ccp-fighter-jets-harass-j... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_China_Coast_Guard_and_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy_ship_collision_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_China_Coast_Guard_and_Peo... https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/philippines-claims-chinese-coast-guard-injured-fishers-damaged-vessels-with-high-pressure-hoses https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/philippines-... https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-china-shined-laser-plane-over-red-sea-dangerous-move-2025-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-china-shined-laser-p... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-china-sea-conflict-us-role-60-minutes/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-china-sea-conflict-... America's aggression around the world is well-documented and is deplorable. That can be acknowledged and discussed without dismissing Chinese aggression. There's no law of the universe that says only one country can be a bad actor at the same time.
      - wyrdcurt 4mo ago
        Yes, I was referring to that comment. You knew exactly which one I was talking about without pointing it out specifically, so why should I have bothered? Now you just dropped five links in an attempt to demonstrate that Chinese aggression is comparable to US aggression, and yet none of those incidents amounted to extrajudicial execution (aka murder), which is what the person with the throwaway account was referencing. All of it is beside my point anyway, which is that you are making assumptions about people while also asking people not to make assumptions about you. For all you know, that throwaway account is someone who uses this site for professional development under their real name and does not want their criticism of a vindictive administration tied to them. Instead of considering that, you implied that they are a Chinese troll engaging in bad faith. I'm inclined to believe that if someone is drawing false equivalencies and needlessly smearing their interlocutors as trolls, they are the one engaging in bad faith. We are thoroughly off-topic at this point, so let's just end this thread here.
        ElProlactin 4mo ago
        > Now you just dropped five links in an attempt to demonstrate that Chinese aggression is comparable to US aggression, and yet none of those incidents amounted to extrajudicial execution (aka murder), which is what the person with the throwaway account was referencing. China engages in the extrajudicial execution of its own citizens. https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/009/1990/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/009/1990/en/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3598791 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3598791 China even runs a large network of "overseas police stations" to track and intimidate overseas Chinese, including dissidents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_service_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_servic... And China doesn't just target plebs. Government officials literally disappear too. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/02/03/world/asia/china-xi-military-purge.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/02/03/world/asia/ch... I personally believe that the US has committed a significant number of crimes. That doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that other countries commit crimes too. I'm not sure why so many people struggle to acknowledge that all of this stuff is evil, regardless of the country doing it. > For all you know, that throwaway account is someone who uses this site for professional development ... Normal people using sites like this for professional development don't decide to create throwaway accounts post a single response to one short comment, buried in the context of a larger thread, that wasn't even highly downvoted or upvoted. This is what troll farms do and I'd have to question your intellectual honesty if you keep pretending that this isn't exactly what China-sponsored troll farm commenting looks like.
surgical_fire 4mo ago
I don't think China is more violent than the US. The US has for like 90% of its history been at war in one form or another, typically killing people abroad. I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium.
- ElProlactin 4mo ago
  > I don't think China is more violent than the US. You don't have to because that wasn't an argument I made. Both the US and China have done horrible things to innocent people and are both currently engaged in malicious behavior that is an affront to humanity. > I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium. Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward > The Great Leap Forward led to between 15 and 55 million deaths in mainland China during the 1959–1961 Great Chinese Famine it caused, making it the largest or second-largest famine in human history. https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/persecution-of-uyghurs-in-xinjiang-torture-crimes-against-humanity-and-genocide https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/persecution-of-uygh... > https://victimsofcommunism.org/tibet-is-lost-but-not-forever/ https://victimsofcommunism.org/tibet-is-lost-but-not-forever... The Tibetan government in exile believes as many as 1.2 million Tibetans died as a result of Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1949. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot China was the Khmer Rouge's main backer. The Khmer Rouge's actions were responsible for a genocide in which 1.5-2 million people perished. Afterwards, China offered asylum to Pol Pot and his top aides. People who are genuinely interested in justice, human rights and peace should be horrified by what both the US and China have done.
  - surgical_fire 4mo ago
    > Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself. Way to speedrun your argument being shit. I am now free to not take it seriously. I'll reply for the other onlookers anyway. > The Great Leap Forward I know quite well about how awful China was to its own citizens during Mao years, thank you very much. The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens. The US has a very long list of spying and interfering (many times very violently) abroad. That is what I am concerned about, and that was the point I was replying to. I could say something along the lines of you needing to educate yourself, but I tend to not seed asphalt. > The Tibetan government in exile believes as many as 1.2 million Tibetans died as a result of Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1949. Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem. China never threated to send troops to invade Greenland. > People who are genuinely interested in justice, human rights and peace should be horrified by what both the US and China have done. In many ways, I am. But that is not what is being discussed here.

I always find it strange to encounter people whose disposition to one violent imperial power is to welcome...more violent imperial powers. Strange form of sadomasochism.

well_ackshually 4mo ago

No, you're just looking forward to being the only violent imperial power and to rule unopposed. the existence of another violent imperial power keeps you on a leash. It's not the best case scenario, but an unfettered and unrestricted united states spells doom for the world. China also happens to be the one that's electrifying the world, producing and improving batteries, solar panels, has a long term plan while the US is going hurr durr VC money printing for smart dog food.

ElProlactin 4mo ago
> No, you're just looking forward to being the only violent imperial power and to rule unopposed. You'd probably be a much more content person if you stopped going around the internet assuming things about random strangers on the basis of their nationalities.
- wyrdcurt 4mo ago
  Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not. If you're going to assume other people have ulterior agendas without evidence, you can't be surprised when people make assumptions about you in turn.
  - ElProlactin 4mo ago
    > Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not. Why don't you specifically point to which of my comments you're referring to? Is it my response to the dubious throwaway account https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48695288 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48695288? China is increasingly aggressive towards its neighbors, and we don't even have to talk about Taiwan. https://ipdefenseforum.com/2025/06/ccp-fighter-jets-harass-japanese-planes-with-coercive-dangerous-tactics/ https://ipdefenseforum.com/2025/06/ccp-fighter-jets-harass-j... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_China_Coast_Guard_and_People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy_ship_collision_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_China_Coast_Guard_and_Peo... https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/philippines-claims-chinese-coast-guard-injured-fishers-damaged-vessels-with-high-pressure-hoses https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/philippines-... https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-china-shined-laser-plane-over-red-sea-dangerous-move-2025-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-china-shined-laser-p... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-china-sea-conflict-us-role-60-minutes/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-china-sea-conflict-... America's aggression around the world is well-documented and is deplorable. That can be acknowledged and discussed without dismissing Chinese aggression. There's no law of the universe that says only one country can be a bad actor at the same time.
    - wyrdcurt 4mo ago
      Yes, I was referring to that comment. You knew exactly which one I was talking about without pointing it out specifically, so why should I have bothered? Now you just dropped five links in an attempt to demonstrate that Chinese aggression is comparable to US aggression, and yet none of those incidents amounted to extrajudicial execution (aka murder), which is what the person with the throwaway account was referencing. All of it is beside my point anyway, which is that you are making assumptions about people while also asking people not to make assumptions about you. For all you know, that throwaway account is someone who uses this site for professional development under their real name and does not want their criticism of a vindictive administration tied to them. Instead of considering that, you implied that they are a Chinese troll engaging in bad faith. I'm inclined to believe that if someone is drawing false equivalencies and needlessly smearing their interlocutors as trolls, they are the one engaging in bad faith. We are thoroughly off-topic at this point, so let's just end this thread here.
      - ElProlactin 4mo ago
        > Now you just dropped five links in an attempt to demonstrate that Chinese aggression is comparable to US aggression, and yet none of those incidents amounted to extrajudicial execution (aka murder), which is what the person with the throwaway account was referencing. China engages in the extrajudicial execution of its own citizens. https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/009/1990/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/009/1990/en/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3598791 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3598791 China even runs a large network of "overseas police stations" to track and intimidate overseas Chinese, including dissidents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_service_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_servic... And China doesn't just target plebs. Government officials literally disappear too. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/02/03/world/asia/china-xi-military-purge.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/02/03/world/asia/ch... I personally believe that the US has committed a significant number of crimes. That doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that other countries commit crimes too. I'm not sure why so many people struggle to acknowledge that all of this stuff is evil, regardless of the country doing it. > For all you know, that throwaway account is someone who uses this site for professional development ... Normal people using sites like this for professional development don't decide to create throwaway accounts post a single response to one short comment, buried in the context of a larger thread, that wasn't even highly downvoted or upvoted. This is what troll farms do and I'd have to question your intellectual honesty if you keep pretending that this isn't exactly what China-sponsored troll farm commenting looks like.

surgical_fire 4mo ago

I don't think China is more violent than the US. The US has for like 90% of its history been at war in one form or another, typically killing people abroad. I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium.

ElProlactin 4mo ago
> I don't think China is more violent than the US. You don't have to because that wasn't an argument I made. Both the US and China have done horrible things to innocent people and are both currently engaged in malicious behavior that is an affront to humanity. > I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium. Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward > The Great Leap Forward led to between 15 and 55 million deaths in mainland China during the 1959–1961 Great Chinese Famine it caused, making it the largest or second-largest famine in human history. https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/persecution-of-uyghurs-in-xinjiang-torture-crimes-against-humanity-and-genocide https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/persecution-of-uygh... > https://victimsofcommunism.org/tibet-is-lost-but-not-forever/ https://victimsofcommunism.org/tibet-is-lost-but-not-forever... The Tibetan government in exile believes as many as 1.2 million Tibetans died as a result of Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1949. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot China was the Khmer Rouge's main backer. The Khmer Rouge's actions were responsible for a genocide in which 1.5-2 million people perished. Afterwards, China offered asylum to Pol Pot and his top aides. People who are genuinely interested in justice, human rights and peace should be horrified by what both the US and China have done.
- surgical_fire 4mo ago
  > Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself. Way to speedrun your argument being shit. I am now free to not take it seriously. I'll reply for the other onlookers anyway. > The Great Leap Forward I know quite well about how awful China was to its own citizens during Mao years, thank you very much. The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens. The US has a very long list of spying and interfering (many times very violently) abroad. That is what I am concerned about, and that was the point I was replying to. I could say something along the lines of you needing to educate yourself, but I tend to not seed asphalt. > The Tibetan government in exile believes as many as 1.2 million Tibetans died as a result of Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1949. Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem. China never threated to send troops to invade Greenland. > People who are genuinely interested in justice, human rights and peace should be horrified by what both the US and China have done. In many ways, I am. But that is not what is being discussed here.