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It has the same battery life as the 11 inch Macbook Air and very similar specs across the board. In what way is it not a proper ultra-book ?

rayiner 14y ago
If the Surface is basically the same as a MBA 11", why not just get the MBA 11" with a proper keyboard and bigger screen? OT: Just today on Metro North I had occasion to open up my 13.3" MBP and do a bit of work in one of the cramped jumper seats. Even balancing on one knee, it worked reasonably. Would have been a cinch on an 11" MBA. Would have been impossible on the Surface Pro.
astrodust 14y ago
The keyboard isn't glued on, it's held by magnets and flops off, provides no structural support. You can't prop it up in your lap like you can a MacBook Air or any notebook for that matter. It's a tablet with a keyboard that's only useful if you have a desk. It runs Windows 8 and only Windows 8, so unlike a MacBook or even a small Dell notebook, Linux isn't an option. It's locked down in the worst possible way, more like an iPad than an Air. I'm not even sure what the market for this is. People who want a computer with a relatively terrible keyboard? People who want a bulky alternative to the iPad? My only hope is the pen is actually useful as this would be less expensive than the equivalent Wacom Cintiq.
- ja27 14y ago
  Right. I'd much rather have an Asus Transformer style Windows 8 tablet + keyboard dock / second battery. Hopefully they'll come with more storage and battery time than the Surface Pro. Plus they'll likely be in the major retailers rather than just Microsoft's stores.
- damian2000 14y ago
  Surface Pro can run classic Windows apps in desktop mode remember - hardly locked down.
  - astrodust 14y ago
    I'm not talking about apps, I'm talking about the entire OS. This is not intended to be a general purpose computing device. It is not a traditional notebook or a replacement for one.
- recoiledsnake 14y ago
  > It runs Windows 8 and only Windows 8, so unlike a MacBook or even a small Dell notebook, Linux isn't an option. It's locked down in the worst possible way, more like an iPad than an Air. Is that speculation or do you have a reference for that?
  - astrodust 14y ago
    It's still speculation until someone confirms it, but as far as I can tell, UEFI is a requirement for Windows 8, and it's not good: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/software/3374039/installing-linux-on-windows-8-pcs-no-easy-answers/ http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/software/3374039/installing-... It's possible that a Linux certification for UEFI will come about, but that will mean you're restricted to certain flavors of Linux and not able to freely install whatever.
    - recoiledsnake 14y ago
      You can turn off secure boot in the settings and run whatever you want to.
      - gambiting 14y ago
        Any reference to that?

rayiner 14y ago

If the Surface is basically the same as a MBA 11", why not just get the MBA 11" with a proper keyboard and bigger screen? OT: Just today on Metro North I had occasion to open up my 13.3" MBP and do a bit of work in one of the cramped jumper seats. Even balancing on one knee, it worked reasonably. Would have been a cinch on an 11" MBA. Would have been impossible on the Surface Pro.

astrodust 14y ago

The keyboard isn't glued on, it's held by magnets and flops off, provides no structural support. You can't prop it up in your lap like you can a MacBook Air or any notebook for that matter. It's a tablet with a keyboard that's only useful if you have a desk. It runs Windows 8 and only Windows 8, so unlike a MacBook or even a small Dell notebook, Linux isn't an option. It's locked down in the worst possible way, more like an iPad than an Air. I'm not even sure what the market for this is. People who want a computer with a relatively terrible keyboard? People who want a bulky alternative to the iPad? My only hope is the pen is actually useful as this would be less expensive than the equivalent Wacom Cintiq.

ja27 14y ago
Right. I'd much rather have an Asus Transformer style Windows 8 tablet + keyboard dock / second battery. Hopefully they'll come with more storage and battery time than the Surface Pro. Plus they'll likely be in the major retailers rather than just Microsoft's stores.
damian2000 14y ago
Surface Pro can run classic Windows apps in desktop mode remember - hardly locked down.
- astrodust 14y ago
  I'm not talking about apps, I'm talking about the entire OS. This is not intended to be a general purpose computing device. It is not a traditional notebook or a replacement for one.
recoiledsnake 14y ago
> It runs Windows 8 and only Windows 8, so unlike a MacBook or even a small Dell notebook, Linux isn't an option. It's locked down in the worst possible way, more like an iPad than an Air. Is that speculation or do you have a reference for that?
- astrodust 14y ago
  It's still speculation until someone confirms it, but as far as I can tell, UEFI is a requirement for Windows 8, and it's not good: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/software/3374039/installing-linux-on-windows-8-pcs-no-easy-answers/ http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/software/3374039/installing-... It's possible that a Linux certification for UEFI will come about, but that will mean you're restricted to certain flavors of Linux and not able to freely install whatever.
  - recoiledsnake 14y ago
    You can turn off secure boot in the settings and run whatever you want to.
    - gambiting 14y ago
      Any reference to that?