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europe2031.ai

by jdkee 3mo ago

europe2031.ai

CalRobert 3mo ago
Was looking for this. It’s a great short story (it starts with real events and then predicts the future) leading to European fealty to US . Seems increasingly plausible.
- pydry 3mo ago
  European fealty to the US has existed for decades.
  - specproc 3mo ago
    Number one issue of our times. I'm eternally frustrated discussion of this basic fact of our political lives is near zero in public discourse.
    - embedding-shape 3mo ago
      Where you live? In both Spain and Sweden it's a fairly common topic in public discourse already, about how to move away from a bunch of US dependencies and so on.
      - specproc 3mo ago
        In the 51st state.
        embedding-shape 3mo ago
        Ah, so just your average HN eurobashing not based in any reality. Cheers for confirming :)
        CalRobert 3mo ago
        ... Ireland?
      - jurgenburgen 3mo ago
        Also in Finland and even in EU circles. Trump threatening to annex Greenland really woke up a lot of people. Tariffs didn’t help. Even my parents who speak no English and aren’t spending time in US-based social media have taken a break from hating Russia for the Ukraine invasion to talking about how we need to get rid of the dependency on the US. This boat is turning slowly but it won’t turn back anymore.
        pydry 3mo ago
        [flagged]
        mopsi 3mo ago
        There was nothing "American-led" about the fact that societies that had been forced by Russia into submission for the entirety of the Cold War rushed toward whatever alliances they could to prevent the same thing from ever happening again. Poland even threatened to mobilize the Polish-Americans to tank Clinton's re-election if he tried to block Poland's entry into NATO, that's how "American-led" it was. Not to mention how ridiculous the narrative of "provocation" is, I can almost hear "provokatsiya, provokatsiya" in Putin's weak and whiny old-man voice. Entry into NATO meant that NATO spent billions upon billions introducing proper civilian oversight of militaries in the new members, and other key features of first world countries. Former RU foreign minister Kozyrev hits the nail when he calls it free security for Russia.
  - coffeebeqn 3mo ago
    Since the US entered WW2
  - port11 3mo ago
    I think you’ll find that it was mutually beneficial deal that traded soft-power for preferential agreements. As it started to crumble, we’ve begun diversifying and directed our schmoozing to better partners.
  - CalRobert 3mo ago
    True, but it was, until 2008, a somewhat less lopsided relationship. Europe is becoming a museum and a retirement home. Young people leave to make their fortune and maybe return to have a family or avail of healthcare. And while I have nothing against old people my own street in a _very_ family-oriented suburb in the Netherlands is over 50% retirees. Though I see the flow of migrants between the US and Europe has shifted, so there's a net gain of Americans in Europe. I wonder if it's where young people with dreams want to go, or if it's just where people like my in-laws (nice, culturally aware, but no longer very economically productive) who have a few million dollars in their 40's and want a pretty place to retire young, go.
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aniviacat 3mo ago
> [Washington] piles pressure on The Hague to halt ASML’s remaining exports and servicing of its DUVi machines. > The Commission backs the Dutch [...]. The European position fragments before it has properly formed. That the EU would, after recognizing AI's value, freely give up control of its few advantages to the US, despite of this being a conventional trade issue which the EU has experience with, seems like a very pessimistic assumption. (I stopped reading after that part.)

europe2031.ai

by jdkee 3mo ago

europe2031.ai

Was looking for this. It’s a great short story (it starts with real events and then predicts the future) leading to European fealty to US . Seems increasingly plausible.

pydry 3mo ago
European fealty to the US has existed for decades.
- specproc 3mo ago
  Number one issue of our times. I'm eternally frustrated discussion of this basic fact of our political lives is near zero in public discourse.
  - embedding-shape 3mo ago
    Where you live? In both Spain and Sweden it's a fairly common topic in public discourse already, about how to move away from a bunch of US dependencies and so on.
    - specproc 3mo ago
      In the 51st state.
      - embedding-shape 3mo ago
        Ah, so just your average HN eurobashing not based in any reality. Cheers for confirming :)
      - CalRobert 3mo ago
        ... Ireland?
    - jurgenburgen 3mo ago
      Also in Finland and even in EU circles. Trump threatening to annex Greenland really woke up a lot of people. Tariffs didn’t help. Even my parents who speak no English and aren’t spending time in US-based social media have taken a break from hating Russia for the Ukraine invasion to talking about how we need to get rid of the dependency on the US. This boat is turning slowly but it won’t turn back anymore.
      - pydry 3mo ago
        [flagged]
        mopsi 3mo ago
        There was nothing "American-led" about the fact that societies that had been forced by Russia into submission for the entirety of the Cold War rushed toward whatever alliances they could to prevent the same thing from ever happening again. Poland even threatened to mobilize the Polish-Americans to tank Clinton's re-election if he tried to block Poland's entry into NATO, that's how "American-led" it was. Not to mention how ridiculous the narrative of "provocation" is, I can almost hear "provokatsiya, provokatsiya" in Putin's weak and whiny old-man voice. Entry into NATO meant that NATO spent billions upon billions introducing proper civilian oversight of militaries in the new members, and other key features of first world countries. Former RU foreign minister Kozyrev hits the nail when he calls it free security for Russia.
- coffeebeqn 3mo ago
  Since the US entered WW2
- port11 3mo ago
  I think you’ll find that it was mutually beneficial deal that traded soft-power for preferential agreements. As it started to crumble, we’ve begun diversifying and directed our schmoozing to better partners.
- CalRobert 3mo ago
  True, but it was, until 2008, a somewhat less lopsided relationship. Europe is becoming a museum and a retirement home. Young people leave to make their fortune and maybe return to have a family or avail of healthcare. And while I have nothing against old people my own street in a _very_ family-oriented suburb in the Netherlands is over 50% retirees. Though I see the flow of migrants between the US and Europe has shifted, so there's a net gain of Americans in Europe. I wonder if it's where young people with dreams want to go, or if it's just where people like my in-laws (nice, culturally aware, but no longer very economically productive) who have a few million dollars in their 40's and want a pretty place to retire young, go.
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    [deleted]

aniviacat 3mo ago

> [Washington] piles pressure on The Hague to halt ASML’s remaining exports and servicing of its DUVi machines. > The Commission backs the Dutch [...]. The European position fragments before it has properly formed. That the EU would, after recognizing AI's value, freely give up control of its few advantages to the US, despite of this being a conventional trade issue which the EU has experience with, seems like a very pessimistic assumption. (I stopped reading after that part.)