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discovery has always been the problem with art. many people are instrinsically motivated to create, that's why we have so much art AI is orthogonal to human co

discovery has always been the problem with art. many people are instrinsically motivated to create, that's why we have so much art AI is orthogonal to human connection. people like people

Timon3 4mo ago
And now discovery is becoming exponentially harder, because every niche can get flooded with AI slop by companies trying to extract profits from real people's creativity. Even if you use these tools to create something amazing, what keeps hundreds of variations "inspired by, but totally not copied" of your creative work from popping up? As these models get cheaper and more powerful, this issue will only get worse and worse.
- spongebobstoes 4mo ago
  this is the same argument against the printing press, photography, home printers, youtube, etc it is a bad argument. more accessible tools consistently lead to more creation in a positive way
  - Timon3 4mo ago
    There is a fundamental difference between those technologies and generative AI. I ask again: what stops companies from creating literally dozens, hundreds or thousands of copies of any creative work you publish? Why shouldn't they create AI artists that copy small artists in a "legally distinct" manner, and at a volume that drowns them out? As these models get better and better, the only limiting factor is the available compute. Meanwhile data centers are being built like there's no tomorrow.
    - spongebobstoes 4mo ago
      copyright law stops illegal copying you are worrying about a hypothetical without precedent. all past evidence is that new creative tools are good
      - Timon3 4mo ago
        According to current laws, using LLMs to plagiarize existing works is not illegal. There is no precedent because the technology hasn't existed before. There's tons upon tons of precedent for companies plagiarizing the works of small artists, and the justice system sides with large companies far more often than small artists. But none of the technologies you've listed allowed companies to automatically plagiarize the works of small artists, whereas LLMs do allow this.
munificent 4mo ago
> AI is orthogonal to human connection. No two things are truly orthogonal when you have to spend time to use either of them. An hour conversing with ChatGPT is an hour of your life unavailable for talking to a human.
- spongebobstoes 4mo ago
  it is nonsense that talking to ChatGPT must reduce human connection talking to ChatGPT helps me get work done faster, so I have more time for people cooking a meal for my friends before they arrive for dinner increases connection

discovery has always been the problem with art. many people are instrinsically motivated to create, that's why we have so much art AI is orthogonal to human connection. people like people

Timon3 4mo ago

And now discovery is becoming exponentially harder, because every niche can get flooded with AI slop by companies trying to extract profits from real people's creativity. Even if you use these tools to create something amazing, what keeps hundreds of variations "inspired by, but totally not copied" of your creative work from popping up? As these models get cheaper and more powerful, this issue will only get worse and worse.

spongebobstoes 4mo ago
this is the same argument against the printing press, photography, home printers, youtube, etc it is a bad argument. more accessible tools consistently lead to more creation in a positive way
- Timon3 4mo ago
  There is a fundamental difference between those technologies and generative AI. I ask again: what stops companies from creating literally dozens, hundreds or thousands of copies of any creative work you publish? Why shouldn't they create AI artists that copy small artists in a "legally distinct" manner, and at a volume that drowns them out? As these models get better and better, the only limiting factor is the available compute. Meanwhile data centers are being built like there's no tomorrow.
  - spongebobstoes 4mo ago
    copyright law stops illegal copying you are worrying about a hypothetical without precedent. all past evidence is that new creative tools are good
    - Timon3 4mo ago
      According to current laws, using LLMs to plagiarize existing works is not illegal. There is no precedent because the technology hasn't existed before. There's tons upon tons of precedent for companies plagiarizing the works of small artists, and the justice system sides with large companies far more often than small artists. But none of the technologies you've listed allowed companies to automatically plagiarize the works of small artists, whereas LLMs do allow this.

munificent 4mo ago

> AI is orthogonal to human connection. No two things are truly orthogonal when you have to spend time to use either of them. An hour conversing with ChatGPT is an hour of your life unavailable for talking to a human.

spongebobstoes 4mo ago
it is nonsense that talking to ChatGPT must reduce human connection talking to ChatGPT helps me get work done faster, so I have more time for people cooking a meal for my friends before they arrive for dinner increases connection