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> no one I know gives a shit about the energy consumption or water usage. They do when the knowledge of the resource consumption is paired with "Which will di

> no one I know gives a shit about the energy consumption or water usage. They do when the knowledge of the resource consumption is paired with "Which will directly lead to your electric/gas bill going up." People are also paying attention to the fact that the politicians aren't paying attention to the people. Nobody is even trying to sell the benefits of a datacenter in people's backyard. Instead, politicians are bending over backwards to eliminate any possible benefit by giving these datacenters permanent tax breaks. When you have politicians clearly bought by businessmen who don't care about the communities that elected them. It's a bit of a no brainer that they'd be voted out.

paul7986 4mo ago
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- blinkbat 4mo ago
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  - paul7986 4mo ago
    No just a bored dude who loves tech and being creative - sharing a thought that seems unique to spur conversation.
    - miiiiiike 4mo ago
      I thought it was funny.
      - paul7986 4mo ago
        sure im sharing a somewhat unique/new idea so its going to be mocked. Yet AI paying us for our content to keep it relevant after it kills so many jobs is something Open AI and ANthropic are pushing via free stock options to all Americans. Yet what about all other humans where's is their system and will those stock options provide enough pay to keep this economic system we have going? If not then my concept of using AI against itself so all humans get their fair share for feeding AI content could be an option. Either way AI needs to pay us it's fair share as without humanity past content it wouldnt exist and without it's future content it's irrelevant.
ToucanLoucan 4mo ago
I think it's less about what data centers are and more about what they represent. * The lack of care of governments of the people's will: they're opposed nearly everywhere but city governments get them done anyway, oftentimes while ignoring more important local problems * The intrusion of the wealthy/big tech into people's lives. Large tech companies tend to be like insurance companies: they just appear out of the ether of daily life, and make your life worse. * The ongoing selling out of America to the wealthy: the rich can do, buy, or build whatever they want. Regular people have to just deal with it. I'm just saying a lot of these I expect we're going to start seeing more direct opposition to from local activists. And a lot of these areas have high rates of gun ownership.
- cogman10 4mo ago
  > I think it's less about what data centers are and more about what they represent. I don't really agree with that. Like I agree with you that these things represent a lot of things people hate. But what they are also matters. Amazon warehouses represent pretty much all the same things here, but people don't get mad at them because what they are is storage for products and jobs for the local community. They are things that get people their orders faster. While there are protests to Amazon warehouses, it's not to the level of data centers. I'd argue that it's uniquely what these things are on top of what they represent. They are giant sucks of power/gas which raises local prices and spews out pollution. And their benefit to a local community is basically nothing. ChatGPT isn't appreciably better because of a gargantuan noisy pollution spewing data center next door. And that's assuming the residents use or appreciate ChatGPT.
  - ghaff 4mo ago
    In smaller towns, many people absolutely do have an issue with distribution centers that will probably increase local traffic.
- jatora 4mo ago
  I think it's a fool's errand to believe populaces resist data centers, or take up issues in general, for any of the rational reasons you listed. It's propaganda using m legacy/social media to fuel movements. The only question is who the propaganda is from. The boogeyman guess would be China but i honestly have no clue. Either way, when you engage most of those against data centers, their positions are generally baseless (not that the anti data center movement is without merit - its just most of the movement is not in it due to rationality or logic)

paul7986 4mo ago

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blinkbat 4mo ago
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- paul7986 4mo ago
  No just a bored dude who loves tech and being creative - sharing a thought that seems unique to spur conversation.
  - miiiiiike 4mo ago
    I thought it was funny.
    - paul7986 4mo ago
      sure im sharing a somewhat unique/new idea so its going to be mocked. Yet AI paying us for our content to keep it relevant after it kills so many jobs is something Open AI and ANthropic are pushing via free stock options to all Americans. Yet what about all other humans where's is their system and will those stock options provide enough pay to keep this economic system we have going? If not then my concept of using AI against itself so all humans get their fair share for feeding AI content could be an option. Either way AI needs to pay us it's fair share as without humanity past content it wouldnt exist and without it's future content it's irrelevant.

ToucanLoucan 4mo ago

I think it's less about what data centers are and more about what they represent. * The lack of care of governments of the people's will: they're opposed nearly everywhere but city governments get them done anyway, oftentimes while ignoring more important local problems * The intrusion of the wealthy/big tech into people's lives. Large tech companies tend to be like insurance companies: they just appear out of the ether of daily life, and make your life worse. * The ongoing selling out of America to the wealthy: the rich can do, buy, or build whatever they want. Regular people have to just deal with it. I'm just saying a lot of these I expect we're going to start seeing more direct opposition to from local activists. And a lot of these areas have high rates of gun ownership.

cogman10 4mo ago
> I think it's less about what data centers are and more about what they represent. I don't really agree with that. Like I agree with you that these things represent a lot of things people hate. But what they are also matters. Amazon warehouses represent pretty much all the same things here, but people don't get mad at them because what they are is storage for products and jobs for the local community. They are things that get people their orders faster. While there are protests to Amazon warehouses, it's not to the level of data centers. I'd argue that it's uniquely what these things are on top of what they represent. They are giant sucks of power/gas which raises local prices and spews out pollution. And their benefit to a local community is basically nothing. ChatGPT isn't appreciably better because of a gargantuan noisy pollution spewing data center next door. And that's assuming the residents use or appreciate ChatGPT.
- ghaff 4mo ago
  In smaller towns, many people absolutely do have an issue with distribution centers that will probably increase local traffic.
jatora 4mo ago
I think it's a fool's errand to believe populaces resist data centers, or take up issues in general, for any of the rational reasons you listed. It's propaganda using m legacy/social media to fuel movements. The only question is who the propaganda is from. The boogeyman guess would be China but i honestly have no clue. Either way, when you engage most of those against data centers, their positions are generally baseless (not that the anti data center movement is without merit - its just most of the movement is not in it due to rationality or logic)