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This arrangement is already dubiously legal. The government is already being sued over the Fable incident with Anthropic. No amount of rules can stop people wh

by ronsor 4mo ago

This arrangement is already dubiously legal. The government is already being sued over the Fable incident with Anthropic. No amount of rules can stop people who are willing to break them. Only enforcement can.

peter422 4mo ago
Anthropic just needs to donate millions of dollars to a “MAGA Inc” like Greg Brockman did and they’ll get regulated properly from now on. It’s a perfectly good system for government regulation.
- thegreatpeter 4mo ago
  [flagged]
  - colinbooks 4mo ago
    always important to compare things that are actively happening to things that didn’t
  - hilariously 4mo ago
    Probably not personal bribery?
- boredatoms 4mo ago
  Or perhaps threaten to donate $10b to the DNC
  - Goronmon 4mo ago
    That threat will probably result in a DOJ investigation into everyone involved until they hit something they think they can prosecute someone for, even if it's not true.
    - boredatoms 4mo ago
      That makes sense They could double down though, like actually follow through with just 1b and then threaten to do an extra 1b periodically until the investigations are dropped
- alfiedotwtf 4mo ago
  $100 Million to The Trump Foundation, and Anthropic get to become the US AI Regulator
- outside1234 4mo ago
  It looks like Greg needs to make another deposit to the fuhrer
- kashunstva 4mo ago
  In some cases, even just bringing a 24K gold desk ornament to the WH is enough; but I suspect these tributes to Dear Leader are subject to inflation, possibly exponentially so.
moomin 4mo ago
And enforcement cannot work if you’ve captured all three estates.
- nostrademons 4mo ago
  Did you mean this in the French Revolution sense (the clergy, the nobility, and the commoners) or in the American sense (the legislative, judicial, and executive branches)? The French Revolution sense would be an ironic counterpoint, because the Revolutionaries did end up capturing all three estates, only to fall to someone (Napoleon) who captured the military, which wasn't considered one of the "three estates" because at the start of the French Revolution destroying civil society, enacting a military dictatorship, and starting a series of wars throughout Europe was considered outside the Overton Window. This perhaps holds some lessons for America today.
  - tialaramex 4mo ago
    I think there is a layer of truth to the idea that MAGA captured what England would call the Fourth Estate, the News Media. England is weird because its model looks like that French model, except that it intertwines the nobility and clergy. Basically an Archbishop and a Earl both sit in Parliament as Lords, while the Commoners control only the Commons of the Parliament. Now today the Commons runs things, but that's relatively modern, in the 19th Century it was completely normal for the Prime Minister to be a Lord, and while some of them were only technically Lords, having in fact been elected but just also nobility anyway for one reason or another, or being ennobled while serving as PM because nobody thought that was a bad idea - others were never elected at all. So weirdly the place which came up with the "Fourth Estate" only really had two other estates, although everyone reading will have known about the French concept too. In the era when Lords routinely become PM (it would still be legal to do this today, but it's hard to imagine it happening, although the Tories did give a Lord one of the Great Offices of State so never say never) almost all those Lords were born into it. Today basically nobody sat in the Lords was born to it (there are about two dozen left, when they die or retire that's the end of it) but there are still always a dozen or so bishops, and Iran is ironically the only other place [except the Vatican which barely counts] where religious leaders are in government by fiat in the modern world... Edited to mention the Vatican before somebody else does.
darig 4mo ago
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mvdtnz 4mo ago
But your government is constantly acting illegally. Isn't it time for Americans to... do something? It's clear that your legal framework isn't working.
- nearlyepic 4mo ago
  Do what, exactly? Throw away our lives? 40% of the nation would rather die than vote for anyone other than a racist, and another 40% would tsk-tsk and say “that’s not how you’re supposed to do it”. There’s no revolution coming to save the day.
  - autoexec 4mo ago
    > Do what, exactly? Throw away our lives? I think the founding fathers were pretty clear about what the American people are expected to do if the systems they put into place aren't enough to preserve freedom. If the colonists had just bent over and spread their cheeks saying "We sure hate being fucked but oh well! what else can we do? Throw away our lives?" we'd still have a king instead of just a wannabe. I'd be very nice if things don't come to that, but ultimately the responsibility to preserve our freedom and democracy is ours. It seems like there are plenty of people lined up to take them from us if we're willing to surrender them. The problem we have now is that an uncomfortably large minority seem happy to do just that.
    - nearlyepic 4mo ago
      This is a super reductive reading of the American revolution. The idea of the colonies self governing was popular as hell, for obvious reasons. Our current situation is nowhere near the same thing. The people that aren’t frothing-at-the-mouth fascists are still, overall, comfortable enough in their daily lives that they wouldn’t consider violence against the government for a second. We can’t even get 40% of them to go vote. You want to fight 80% of the nation? Be my guest, but for a violent revolution to be anything but a suicide mission you need to flip those numbers, or have the military on your side. And if you think the US military will flip against capital because of some strongly-held belief of “liberty” I have a bridge to sell you. The only thing we can do is try to convince other people that this shit does actually matter. We’re so far in the hole, though, that it’s going to take a long fucking time to dig ourselves out. It’s not going to be some glorious revolution.

by ronsor 4mo ago

peter422 4mo ago

Anthropic just needs to donate millions of dollars to a “MAGA Inc” like Greg Brockman did and they’ll get regulated properly from now on. It’s a perfectly good system for government regulation.

thegreatpeter 4mo ago
[flagged]
- colinbooks 4mo ago
  always important to compare things that are actively happening to things that didn’t
- hilariously 4mo ago
  Probably not personal bribery?
boredatoms 4mo ago
Or perhaps threaten to donate $10b to the DNC
- Goronmon 4mo ago
  That threat will probably result in a DOJ investigation into everyone involved until they hit something they think they can prosecute someone for, even if it's not true.
  - boredatoms 4mo ago
    That makes sense They could double down though, like actually follow through with just 1b and then threaten to do an extra 1b periodically until the investigations are dropped
alfiedotwtf 4mo ago
$100 Million to The Trump Foundation, and Anthropic get to become the US AI Regulator
outside1234 4mo ago
It looks like Greg needs to make another deposit to the fuhrer
kashunstva 4mo ago
In some cases, even just bringing a 24K gold desk ornament to the WH is enough; but I suspect these tributes to Dear Leader are subject to inflation, possibly exponentially so.

moomin 4mo ago

And enforcement cannot work if you’ve captured all three estates.

nostrademons 4mo ago
Did you mean this in the French Revolution sense (the clergy, the nobility, and the commoners) or in the American sense (the legislative, judicial, and executive branches)? The French Revolution sense would be an ironic counterpoint, because the Revolutionaries did end up capturing all three estates, only to fall to someone (Napoleon) who captured the military, which wasn't considered one of the "three estates" because at the start of the French Revolution destroying civil society, enacting a military dictatorship, and starting a series of wars throughout Europe was considered outside the Overton Window. This perhaps holds some lessons for America today.
- tialaramex 4mo ago
  I think there is a layer of truth to the idea that MAGA captured what England would call the Fourth Estate, the News Media. England is weird because its model looks like that French model, except that it intertwines the nobility and clergy. Basically an Archbishop and a Earl both sit in Parliament as Lords, while the Commoners control only the Commons of the Parliament. Now today the Commons runs things, but that's relatively modern, in the 19th Century it was completely normal for the Prime Minister to be a Lord, and while some of them were only technically Lords, having in fact been elected but just also nobility anyway for one reason or another, or being ennobled while serving as PM because nobody thought that was a bad idea - others were never elected at all. So weirdly the place which came up with the "Fourth Estate" only really had two other estates, although everyone reading will have known about the French concept too. In the era when Lords routinely become PM (it would still be legal to do this today, but it's hard to imagine it happening, although the Tories did give a Lord one of the Great Offices of State so never say never) almost all those Lords were born into it. Today basically nobody sat in the Lords was born to it (there are about two dozen left, when they die or retire that's the end of it) but there are still always a dozen or so bishops, and Iran is ironically the only other place [except the Vatican which barely counts] where religious leaders are in government by fiat in the modern world... Edited to mention the Vatican before somebody else does.

darig 4mo ago

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mvdtnz 4mo ago

But your government is constantly acting illegally. Isn't it time for Americans to... do something? It's clear that your legal framework isn't working.

nearlyepic 4mo ago
Do what, exactly? Throw away our lives? 40% of the nation would rather die than vote for anyone other than a racist, and another 40% would tsk-tsk and say “that’s not how you’re supposed to do it”. There’s no revolution coming to save the day.
- autoexec 4mo ago
  > Do what, exactly? Throw away our lives? I think the founding fathers were pretty clear about what the American people are expected to do if the systems they put into place aren't enough to preserve freedom. If the colonists had just bent over and spread their cheeks saying "We sure hate being fucked but oh well! what else can we do? Throw away our lives?" we'd still have a king instead of just a wannabe. I'd be very nice if things don't come to that, but ultimately the responsibility to preserve our freedom and democracy is ours. It seems like there are plenty of people lined up to take them from us if we're willing to surrender them. The problem we have now is that an uncomfortably large minority seem happy to do just that.
  - nearlyepic 4mo ago
    This is a super reductive reading of the American revolution. The idea of the colonies self governing was popular as hell, for obvious reasons. Our current situation is nowhere near the same thing. The people that aren’t frothing-at-the-mouth fascists are still, overall, comfortable enough in their daily lives that they wouldn’t consider violence against the government for a second. We can’t even get 40% of them to go vote. You want to fight 80% of the nation? Be my guest, but for a violent revolution to be anything but a suicide mission you need to flip those numbers, or have the military on your side. And if you think the US military will flip against capital because of some strongly-held belief of “liberty” I have a bridge to sell you. The only thing we can do is try to convince other people that this shit does actually matter. We’re so far in the hole, though, that it’s going to take a long fucking time to dig ourselves out. It’s not going to be some glorious revolution.