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Unless you are hosting it yourself on your own infrastructure it absolutely can be taken away.
by paxys 4mo ago
Unless you are hosting it yourself on your own infrastructure it absolutely can be taken away.
- amunozo 4mo agoBut you have multiple providers, not just one.
- cyanydeez 4mo agoI'm sure he's referring to the tightening of internet controls around social media as an extrapolation to controlling websites, etc.
- logicchains 4mo agoEven in that case it can't be taken away; GPT and Claude are banned in China yet there's still a huge black market for tokens.
- paxys 4mo agoAnd every single one of those providers would buckle under government pressure. Fable itself is hosted on all major cloud providers. How many offer it today?
- minimaxir 4mo agoThe providers on OpenRouter are not all in the US.
- paxys 4mo agoThat doesn’t mean they are immune to US laws. If they want to continue to operate in the largest market in the world they will fall in line. And if you are a legit American business you aren’t going to illegally bypass import/export controls.
- svachalek 4mo agoMore importantly, the download is out there. You can download it yourself today, and if it's that important to you, you can buy the hardware too.
- eli 4mo agoThis seems a little fanciful. There's really no comparison between a model that Anthropic allows Google and Amazon to host with one that has been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times and has dozens of public inference providers.
- Art9681 4mo agoI don't think they "allow" Google or Amazon to host them so much as Anthropic itself is deploying and managing their services on multiple cloud providers just like every other global scale business. Even the models served via OpenRouter are just being routed to compute under Anthropic control. Same with OpenAI. They aren't going to hand the world's most valuable intellectual property at the moment to some third party to run independently. Now for the Chinese models on OpenRouter, yea. Those providers could be legit. Or it could be a failed crypto mining operation pivoting to providing AI compute. Who knows.
- GaggiX 4mo agoPopular open models on Openrouter have dozens of providers.
- atherton94027 4mo agoFor all intents and purposes you'll be able to move an open weight model wherever you want. I really dislike this rhetoric, you sound like the FSF guys who are like "you're not free until you're running coreboot with zero binary blobs". Sure they have a point but also, most people are fine running regular linux.
- adrianN 4mo agoMost FSF guys actually have very nuanced views on the topic and you’re doing everyone a disservice by reducing it to an extremist sound bite.
- ffsm8 4mo agoThankfully he didn't say that they're all like that. Instead he pointed out the few that are as a well known example of similar behavior. If you reread the comment with a fresh mind you'll notice that you misunderstood what he wrote
- citadel_melon 4mo agoWhen attacking archetypes of people, there is some responsibility to make clear who you’re attacking and why, even to someone who’s not being hyper-open-minded. At least if you want them to learn from you: which may or may not be your goal. When you attack/signal you’re on the offensive, it is foolish to believe that they won’t knee-jerk attack back and become closed minded at least a little. Regardless, the “misinterpretation” of the parent comment is actually a plausible interpretation. I suspend my judgement on what the actual “correct” interpretation of the original comment is: there are too many plausible interpretations to deductively decide. But I do know that since they first comment brought up a contentious issue, they should have put more work into crafting their message so there aren’t so many plausible interpretations that are contradictory. Or alternatively, they should have specified more precisely who they were talking about without a shadow of a doubt. That is if the commenter cared to be properly interpreted, but that may not be their goal. There are many reasonable reasons why that wouldn’t be their goal.
- GTP 4mo agoStill, with the same model being served by multiple providers, it is much less likely to disappear entirely, even if you would like to keep using a cloud provider. Worst-case scenario, you change providers. Or you use OpenRouter as a proxy.
- dgellow 4mo agoThere is actual market competition to host open models. If one provider stops offering a model you likely can find another provider that will
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- supern0va 4mo ago>Unless you're running Linux yourself, it can absolutely be taken away.
- Zambyte 4mo agoYes. The difference is obviously that full, fat Linux runs on a superset of anything a layperson would call a computer, and can be built from source on roughly the same set of hardware. Running the full, fat Deepseek (as in the 1.6T model, unquantized) is too big to run on anything a layperson would call a computer, and being able to actually build it is even harder.
- supern0va 4mo agoIt's famously difficult to find people willing to rent you time on big computers over the internet.
- Zambyte 4mo agoOther people's computers famously can't be taken away.
- supern0va 4mo agoYou're right, there is an all powerful wizard who can take away all the world's computers. You got me. There's a reason Yudkowsky only thinks AI can be stopped by literal missile strikes against data centers.
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- theptip 4mo agoNo. As long as you downloaded the weights, you can run them somewhere.
- koolala 4mo agoNo it can't you can take it where ever you want. It is yours not theirs.
- greenavocado 4mo agoI just want personal agency