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A friend of mine who is a non Japanese Asian lived in Japan and when asked said there's no racism. There's mild cases but if you are careful to follow the custo

A friend of mine who is a non Japanese Asian lived in Japan and when asked said there's no racism. There's mild cases but if you are careful to follow the customs and speak the language, you are generally accepted as a Japanese in daily life.

Capricorn2481 4mo ago
> A friend of mine who is a non Japanese Asian lived in Japan and when asked said there's no racism Well I'm convinced.
- ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
  :shrug: same back to you?
  - Capricorn2481 4mo ago
    No, there's a fundamental difference between what we both wrote. There's a difference between saying "I know someone who has experienced racism" and "My friend says there's no racism in X country." One is a personal experience, the other invalidates the experiences of everyone else. They are not two sides of the same coin like you are implying. If you take the phrase "There is no racism in Japan" at face value, you are either pushing an agenda or falling for someone else's. "We just want assimilation" is the palatable marketing term for "We would be fine arresting people at their immigration hearings if they are brown enough." Just look at the U.S.
    - ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
      Rewrite my comment to say "my friend experienced no racism". Not more than in his home country at least. What you said is the same. One is according to what your relative said another is according to what my friend said. I don't think it's crazy to expect assimilation. We are fascinated with different countries and cultures and we generally consider it's a good idea they exist and are different. Diversity is strength. But they can only be different if they have their own culture and traditions. Would everyone be so fascinated with Japan or Korea if it was not for their culture? Would they be the same without high trust society that is made possible by it?
      - Frondo 4mo ago
        > I don't think it's crazy to expect assimilation. What's that mean to you? In my city, immigrants work, run businesses, pay taxes, have kids and send them to local schools, ride the bus, complain about the weather, practice their religion. I guess the only thing they don't do is complain as loudly about the government as (many of) the rest of us. What more could they be doing to assimilate?
        ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
        Probably nothing. Looks good to me, they speak your language, have jobs (don't abuse welfare), pay taxes, live legally. Reading about the party it seemed that they want to kick out people far from what you described (which can be still wrong, idk, but I'm not sure it's so outrageous I would boycott a business over its owner's preference). If they campaign to kick out people who are like what you described then I would think harder.
        Frondo 4mo ago
        One note: I didn't say anything about the language they speak, and what language other people speak is none of my business.
        ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
        How do you know they complain about the weather, if they don't speak your language?
        Capricorn2481 4mo ago
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        ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
        No, it's a reasonable question. Language is how 90% of communication happens. 如果我用中文說話，你根本聽不懂我在說什麼。只有聽得懂鄰居和社區裡的人在說什麼，我才會感到自在；如果聽不懂，我就不會有這種自在感。I've a significant chunk of my life in places where people don't speak my language and it's not a comfortable situation to be. Sure I have some anxieties but everyone does and if you say their feelings are invalid then I'm not sure which of us is more intolerant.
cindyllm 4mo ago
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Capricorn2481 4mo ago

> A friend of mine who is a non Japanese Asian lived in Japan and when asked said there's no racism Well I'm convinced.

ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
:shrug: same back to you?
- Capricorn2481 4mo ago
  No, there's a fundamental difference between what we both wrote. There's a difference between saying "I know someone who has experienced racism" and "My friend says there's no racism in X country." One is a personal experience, the other invalidates the experiences of everyone else. They are not two sides of the same coin like you are implying. If you take the phrase "There is no racism in Japan" at face value, you are either pushing an agenda or falling for someone else's. "We just want assimilation" is the palatable marketing term for "We would be fine arresting people at their immigration hearings if they are brown enough." Just look at the U.S.
  - ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
    Rewrite my comment to say "my friend experienced no racism". Not more than in his home country at least. What you said is the same. One is according to what your relative said another is according to what my friend said. I don't think it's crazy to expect assimilation. We are fascinated with different countries and cultures and we generally consider it's a good idea they exist and are different. Diversity is strength. But they can only be different if they have their own culture and traditions. Would everyone be so fascinated with Japan or Korea if it was not for their culture? Would they be the same without high trust society that is made possible by it?
    - Frondo 4mo ago
      > I don't think it's crazy to expect assimilation. What's that mean to you? In my city, immigrants work, run businesses, pay taxes, have kids and send them to local schools, ride the bus, complain about the weather, practice their religion. I guess the only thing they don't do is complain as loudly about the government as (many of) the rest of us. What more could they be doing to assimilate?
      - ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
        Probably nothing. Looks good to me, they speak your language, have jobs (don't abuse welfare), pay taxes, live legally. Reading about the party it seemed that they want to kick out people far from what you described (which can be still wrong, idk, but I'm not sure it's so outrageous I would boycott a business over its owner's preference). If they campaign to kick out people who are like what you described then I would think harder.
        Frondo 4mo ago
        One note: I didn't say anything about the language they speak, and what language other people speak is none of my business.
        ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
        How do you know they complain about the weather, if they don't speak your language?
        Capricorn2481 4mo ago
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        ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
        No, it's a reasonable question. Language is how 90% of communication happens. 如果我用中文說話，你根本聽不懂我在說什麼。只有聽得懂鄰居和社區裡的人在說什麼，我才會感到自在；如果聽不懂，我就不會有這種自在感。I've a significant chunk of my life in places where people don't speak my language and it's not a comfortable situation to be. Sure I have some anxieties but everyone does and if you say their feelings are invalid then I'm not sure which of us is more intolerant.

cindyllm 4mo ago

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