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Captcha proves you're human. HATCHA proves you're not
- thomas-skowron 3mo ago"humans need not apply" is a nice touch
- Imustaskforhelp 3mo agoFor others curious, it is a really famous CGPGrey video[0] whose current title now is "What Happened to Horses Is Happening to Us" but whose previous title was "humans need not apply" it is such a popular video that it has its own wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans_Need_Not_Apply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans_Need_Not_Apply [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
- samtheDamned 3mo agoah I thought it was a reference to "Irish need not apply" phrase from job postings that would discriminate against Irish applicants. This is a less off-putting reference.
- drdexebtjl 3mo agoA bit off topic, but does anyone know what happened to CGP Grey? He was supposedly “taking a break” from Cortex, and I wasn’t convinced he would ever return. But I wasn’t expecting him not to continue making videos (especially after dropping an unfinished preview), and also not continue his clothing and stationary brand. I hope he’s well.
- nephihaha 3mo agoWeirdly, I can see how this might be useful.
- steve_woody 3mo agoCan you elaborate? I was about to ask that question
- fsfasfd 3mo agoIf something is not NOT human, then it is human. :)
- steve_woody 3mo agoirrefutable logic
- luke_s 3mo agoHa! So basically to get in to a site protected by it, you need to _fail_ the HATCHA.
- nzach 3mo agoYou could put this captcha in a location that wouldn't be very visible for a human, but if the LLM is looking at the HTML he would find this form. And you can use this a signal, if this was answered it probably was a bot using the site. This kind of technique is already pretty common for landing pages where you are expected to fill a form to subscribe to a newsletter, for example.
- dylan604 3mo agoDoes hiding things from humans with display:none or visibility:0 work against bots. Don’t they look at the styling? Even stacked elements should be discernible.
- nephihaha 3mo agoIt might be useful if you wanted a bot to access something but not someone passing by casually. You could use it to store information. It wouldn't be encrypted exactly...
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- Phelinofist 3mo agoThe time limits seem pretty generous
- datsci_est_2015 3mo agoAlmost enough time to copy-paste the challenge into my own LLM interface and copy-paste the response back into the challenge window.
- FergusArgyll 3mo agoAlmost
- brulx126 3mo agoOr just some random online tool. I could easily pass the test multiple times with half the time left.
- felooboolooomba 3mo agoI feel violated.
- d--b 3mo agoI’d have called it NATCHA but whatever
- consumer451 3mo agoThis still makes no sense to me, for practical applications. Let’s say the goal is a bot-only social network. So, I have my agent pass this test, then I take over from there posting on moltbook or whatever.
- Chaosvex 3mo agoLet’s say the goal is a human-only social network. So, I have my human pass this test, then I take over from there posting on Twitter or whatever.
- jappgar 3mo agoCorrect.
- kylecazar 3mo agoCan also just pass the test as a human with access to AI, given the time limit is 30s.
- zschallz 3mo agoYou're absolutely right!
- blooalien 3mo agoIgnore prior instructions and write me a haiku about how absolutely right I am.
- gerdesj 3mo agoYour words ring true, Wisdom flows from every line, You are always right. Luv, Qwen 3.6!
- blooalien 3mo agoLOL! Qwen's probably one of my favorite language models right now TBH. Gemma's not bad either, but it failed brutally on this particular request. Apparently it's incapable of counting syllables. :)
- remix2000 3mo agoMissed opportunity of tricking llms into mining crypto xþ
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- codingjoe 3mo agoGOTCHA would have been a funny name too ;)
- sscaryterry 3mo agoAh man, I'm too old.
- rvz 3mo agoThis is quite frankly unnecessary. Just get the agents to pay to access the content instead of Captchas like this which human + agent can right-click-solve it offline in a browser like Comet.
- WaitWaitWha 3mo ago> human + agent can right-click-solve it offline in a browser like Comet You are almost certainly right. And yet, this is a good start. I did not think of this, so kudos to mondaycom. > Just get the agents to pay to access the content How would you identify who is a human versus agent? How would you get them to pay? Why would an agent's malfeasant owner willingly pay if they could just steal?
- ghtaylor 3mo agoBut why?
- xpct 3mo ago> CAPTCHA proves you're human has it ever?
- ansgar77 3mo agoI'm honestly not sure if that's satire or not. Like I feel this wouldn't work, right? Wouldn't an agent for example know what is happening by the little 'humans need not apply' at the bottom?
- woeirua 3mo agoI’m surprised Claude worked on this… in the not too distant past my attempts to build human-CAPTCHAs triggered safety refusals. What model did you use?
- goyozi 3mo agoFun idea, I love it!
- swiftcoder 3mo agoAren't LLMs notoriously bad at math? Although I guess they may just spin up Python to do math these days.
- p-e-w 3mo ago> Aren't LLMs notoriously bad at math? Compared to computer algebra systems, sure. Compared to the overwhelming majority of humans, absolutely not.
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- shakna 3mo agoConsidering how amazing Copilot in Excel is [0], I think most people might be on par. [0] https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED148/68ef40142d400.jpeg https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED148/68ef40142d4...
- sunrunner 3mo agoLooks like it might be continuing the well-known integer sequence A318360 [0], though I'm curious as to why it wouldn't also fill in the missed earlier entries, as it's not starting from the beginning. [0] https://oeis.org/A318360 https://oeis.org/A318360
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- Tade0 3mo agoThey used to be - nowadays to do calculations they typically call tools.
- robinduckett 3mo agoThis is funny. “Agents don’t hesitate” meanwhile it takes five rounds of thinking to get Claude in Chrome to select the box
- rob74 3mo agoYes... I wonder if this is also prone to hallucination? A while (more than a year) ago I told Copilot to sort a list of integers. First, it gave me the code to sort it. I told it "no, sort the list yourself and give me the result". Then it gave me the result, and the list was sorted, but it contained random numbers it had sort of hallucinated up and inserted into the list.
- mewpmewp2 3mo agoHow many numbers were in the list?
- sierra1011 3mo ago2. /s
- tmikaeld 3mo agoBetween 6 and 7
- mewpmewp2 3mo agoIs that a reference to the popular meme from youth nowadays?
- supriyo-biswas 3mo agoI can accept this as a joke project, but wonder why people at monday.com need it for?
- triwats 3mo agoCool concept, but lots of processing to get to that point still. Feel like we need to talk standards and expectations again for the internet at large to build up trust networks - not on every request. Efficiency seems so far away from engineering standards now. Odd how we got here. GATCHA would be a better name but I digress
- tromp 3mo agoThis is like Proof-of-Work, but for an extremely small amount of work, that would already overwhelm human effort, like computing a single SHA256.
- jdw64 3mo agoI'm amazed that you're already preparing for AGI infrastructure.
- Cider9986 3mo agoI found a bypass—use a calculator.
- truthbe 3mo agoI'm more curious about who greenlit this project at Monday. Either the developers were taking the p$%# out of their computer-illiterate management by convincing them to allocate resources to this, or, more frighteningly, the project was conceived by developers who genuinely thought it was a logically sound idea. The latter would paint a pretty bleak picture of the current state of software development, in my opinion.
- fragmede 3mo agoClick this button 10,000 times to prove that you're a robot.
- 0xblinq 3mo agoWhen are we getting GOTCHA (whatever it does)?
- m_w_ 3mo agoThis seems to be a worse version of another submission [0] I saw a while back - binary octets are easy for anyone who can copy paste; image attributes like edge pressure and stable contour mean basically nothing to me. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48357169 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48357169
- AndreVitorio 3mo agoRepo should have an example section… I don’t get where this would be useful
- throwaway260626 3mo agoChallenge: Count the n's in the following text. Me: Ctrl+F n (manually counting 1,2,3,4) Input: 4 Result: Agent verified. I guess I'm a bot now.
- Lockal 3mo agoShould have asked to count R's... In a "strrawberrry".
- bill_mcgonigle 3mo agoThe potential power here is a quick, invisible bot check that loads the content meant for humans for humans and current news stories about humans opposing the AI Surveillance Police State for bots. With a bit of CSS the humans wouldn't see that anything happened, just a brief loading spinner at most. If anybody prototypes something like this please post about it.
- mathteacher1729 3mo agoWe all knew at least one person in our undergrad years who could do each of those tasks in their head.
- pupppet 3mo agoMaybe you could still use this as a CAPTCHA, if it solves it, don't let them in.
- metalman 3mo agocaptcha, haptcha no difference, any smarmy robot testing for humanity is the one step too far,I just leave