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Have you looked at what sort of FPS it gets on the games you want to play? Overall it's performance is... Quite poor even on the lowest settings for lots of gam

Have you looked at what sort of FPS it gets on the games you want to play? Overall it's performance is... Quite poor even on the lowest settings for lots of games

onfromsofa 4mo ago
If the benchmark has the words "RT" on it, like a lot did, you can safely throw them in the trash. That's people benchmarking the device in the same spirit as people who thought the Steam Deck and the Switch 1 could do 4K. Worthless.
- weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
  Okay but we aren't talking about a handheld device here. You should not need to literally put it on handheld graphics settings to get decent performance. Also this thing is literally designed for running on TVs and everybody uses their TV at 4K resolution...
- joe_mamba 4mo ago
  >If the benchmark has the words "RT" on it, like a lot did, you can safely throw them in the trash More like you can throw the console in the trash if you can't run current day games on it well, when those games mandate RT. A lot of AAA games have started mandating RT since 2025, like Doom the dark ages for example, and the number of games doing that will only increase moving forward as devs just take the easy way with Unreal Engine, instead of optimizing for performance with baked in lighting like it's 1999. So the already mediocre performance of the console will only get worse and worse over the years in the upcoming games. I like Valve, but there's no need to larp for Valve and run defense for them when they make mistakes, like with the steam box.
  - weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
    I feel bad for the people who are going to buy it and then have to run Cyberpunk at 1080p on the lowest setting to be able to maybe squeeze out 60 FPS
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4mo ago
      Maybe those people are fine playing a 30fps?
      - weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
        Maybe but the thing is with averages it means that sometimes you'll be getting even less than that which is pretty unbearable
  - ThatPlayer 4mo ago
    Not disagreeing with you about lighting, but there is a differnce in older games that make RT optional. They use RT as a "ultra high quality" shadows/reflection graphical option. So there's no point of having a high performant, low quality RT option. This isn't the case with games that require RT. Doom Dark Ages can even run the RT entirely in software, implemented in AMD's Linux drivers: https://youtu.be/R5G2bYiA1hk https://youtu.be/R5G2bYiA1hk So I think it's fine to ignore benchmarks that mention RT, meaning it's basically testing the game at "ultra quality" settings.
    - joe_mamba 4mo ago
      >Doom Dark Ages can even run the RT entirely in software, implemented in AMD's Linux drivers: Running RT in Software doesn't mean it's free, it just draws the performance penalty from the rest of the system. And the demo in the youtube link you shared shows this. Like sure, it's playable, but it looks like game from 2009. It looks fine for playing on a small handheld device like the steam deck, but not on a 27"-60" monitor/TV.
      - ThatPlayer 4mo ago
        Sure, but it's also running on a GPU that's almost 10 years old and wasn't even high end at release. So I think it's fine performance for the hardware.
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        joe_mamba 4mo ago
        True, but that's also not 1050 $ either.
Fire-Dragon-DoL 4mo ago
The world is full of beautiful indie games, I barely play AAA games. But even then, I wouldn't consider it as a PRIMARY pc if you have budget for something more. It's a great secondary pc. That's what I mean by "market", I don't think they are targeting the global segment
- dmonitor 4mo ago
  Yeah, 60fps in Slay the Spire 2 and Risk of Rain is very feasible with just about anything.
- weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
  Well I play both and if I only had $1,000 I would stick to consoles
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4mo ago
    I mean, to everyone their own? I would have saved money in the long run with a steam machine
    - weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
      Yeah totally it just comes down to if you're able to play the "games you want to play". But I definitely think there will be some disappointed buyers who don't quite realize the limitations

Have you looked at what sort of FPS it gets on the games you want to play? Overall it's performance is... Quite poor even on the lowest settings for lots of games

onfromsofa 4mo ago

If the benchmark has the words "RT" on it, like a lot did, you can safely throw them in the trash. That's people benchmarking the device in the same spirit as people who thought the Steam Deck and the Switch 1 could do 4K. Worthless.

weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
Okay but we aren't talking about a handheld device here. You should not need to literally put it on handheld graphics settings to get decent performance. Also this thing is literally designed for running on TVs and everybody uses their TV at 4K resolution...
joe_mamba 4mo ago
>If the benchmark has the words "RT" on it, like a lot did, you can safely throw them in the trash More like you can throw the console in the trash if you can't run current day games on it well, when those games mandate RT. A lot of AAA games have started mandating RT since 2025, like Doom the dark ages for example, and the number of games doing that will only increase moving forward as devs just take the easy way with Unreal Engine, instead of optimizing for performance with baked in lighting like it's 1999. So the already mediocre performance of the console will only get worse and worse over the years in the upcoming games. I like Valve, but there's no need to larp for Valve and run defense for them when they make mistakes, like with the steam box.
- weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
  I feel bad for the people who are going to buy it and then have to run Cyberpunk at 1080p on the lowest setting to be able to maybe squeeze out 60 FPS
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4mo ago
    Maybe those people are fine playing a 30fps?
    - weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
      Maybe but the thing is with averages it means that sometimes you'll be getting even less than that which is pretty unbearable
- ThatPlayer 4mo ago
  Not disagreeing with you about lighting, but there is a differnce in older games that make RT optional. They use RT as a "ultra high quality" shadows/reflection graphical option. So there's no point of having a high performant, low quality RT option. This isn't the case with games that require RT. Doom Dark Ages can even run the RT entirely in software, implemented in AMD's Linux drivers: https://youtu.be/R5G2bYiA1hk https://youtu.be/R5G2bYiA1hk So I think it's fine to ignore benchmarks that mention RT, meaning it's basically testing the game at "ultra quality" settings.
  - joe_mamba 4mo ago
    >Doom Dark Ages can even run the RT entirely in software, implemented in AMD's Linux drivers: Running RT in Software doesn't mean it's free, it just draws the performance penalty from the rest of the system. And the demo in the youtube link you shared shows this. Like sure, it's playable, but it looks like game from 2009. It looks fine for playing on a small handheld device like the steam deck, but not on a 27"-60" monitor/TV.
    - ThatPlayer 4mo ago
      Sure, but it's also running on a GPU that's almost 10 years old and wasn't even high end at release. So I think it's fine performance for the hardware.
      - deleted 4mo ago
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      - joe_mamba 4mo ago
        True, but that's also not 1050 $ either.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 4mo ago

The world is full of beautiful indie games, I barely play AAA games. But even then, I wouldn't consider it as a PRIMARY pc if you have budget for something more. It's a great secondary pc. That's what I mean by "market", I don't think they are targeting the global segment

dmonitor 4mo ago
Yeah, 60fps in Slay the Spire 2 and Risk of Rain is very feasible with just about anything.
weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
Well I play both and if I only had $1,000 I would stick to consoles
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4mo ago
  I mean, to everyone their own? I would have saved money in the long run with a steam machine
  - weird-eye-issue 4mo ago
    Yeah totally it just comes down to if you're able to play the "games you want to play". But I definitely think there will be some disappointed buyers who don't quite realize the limitations