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We're talking about before his election. What made it predictable that Trump would bomb Iran but Harris wouldn't? Whoever the president is, the forces that make

We're talking about before his election. What made it predictable that Trump would bomb Iran but Harris wouldn't? Whoever the president is, the forces that make America fight wars seem to keep on successfully pushing them to do it. Both their parties started a lot of wars in the middle east with their previous presidents (Obama and Bush II).

defrost 4mo ago
Trump avoided briefings like they were his uglier children, famously first term rumours claimed the intelligence crowd had to dumb down two hour compact briefings to 5 minute cartoon animated toilet reading fodder. Harris has a background as a prosecutor and has a track record of being literate and processing stacked feet thick piles of paper. The force pushing to bomb Iran has always been Israel, the counter force has always been detailed backlogs of military exercises that relentlessly conclude that to be a bloody stupid idea. It was predictable that Harris would take good advice (and perhaps follow that), and equally predictable that Trump would bluster his way forward and ignore the existing weight of experience and prior exercises. FWiW I would not have predicted that Trump would stick himself into Iran ... I honestly thought he was stupid, just not that stupid. Although the Obama deal was famously one of his weird tic like bugaboos .. correctly factoring in how much room the former POTUS occupied in the Trumple cranium was likely where I failed.
- foxglacier 4mo ago
  > conclude that to be a bloody stupid idea. You say that as if all the other presidents' wars in the middle east were shown to be good ideas and they were smart to follow that advice and kill all those people their generals wanted to kill. Iran seems to have not been nearly as terrible as Iraq, Afghanistan, or Libya, or Syria. The death toll is only around 10000. What's the problem? Don't say oil prices increased because that's a good thing.
  - defrost 4mo ago
    > You say that as if all the other presidents' wars ... That would be entirely your take on things I did not mention. > The death toll is only around 10000. What's the population of the suburb you live in? About that? > What's the problem? \1 Trump started by destroying an agreement hard fought for by multiple countries that actually contained enrichment. \2 The US has lost the bulk of post WWII soft power built up over decades as a result. \3 Iran has splintered into independent smaller groups any one of which can go rogue with nuclear weapons / dirty bombs. \4 Other states (eg: North Korea) are now fully emboldened and have ramped up their actual nuclear weapon production. ... etc. There's a long long list of problems here - all could have been circumvented by a competent POTUS with a full experienced diplomatic cadre.
    - foxglacier 4mo ago
      >What's the population of the suburb you live in? About that? This comment shows you're being disingenuous. If a war killed 4 people, you'd be asking how big my family was. You can obviously understand the significance of that figure and it's nothing to do with suburbs.

defrost 4mo ago

Trump avoided briefings like they were his uglier children, famously first term rumours claimed the intelligence crowd had to dumb down two hour compact briefings to 5 minute cartoon animated toilet reading fodder. Harris has a background as a prosecutor and has a track record of being literate and processing stacked feet thick piles of paper. The force pushing to bomb Iran has always been Israel, the counter force has always been detailed backlogs of military exercises that relentlessly conclude that to be a bloody stupid idea. It was predictable that Harris would take good advice (and perhaps follow that), and equally predictable that Trump would bluster his way forward and ignore the existing weight of experience and prior exercises. FWiW I would not have predicted that Trump would stick himself into Iran ... I honestly thought he was stupid, just not that stupid. Although the Obama deal was famously one of his weird tic like bugaboos .. correctly factoring in how much room the former POTUS occupied in the Trumple cranium was likely where I failed.

foxglacier 4mo ago
> conclude that to be a bloody stupid idea. You say that as if all the other presidents' wars in the middle east were shown to be good ideas and they were smart to follow that advice and kill all those people their generals wanted to kill. Iran seems to have not been nearly as terrible as Iraq, Afghanistan, or Libya, or Syria. The death toll is only around 10000. What's the problem? Don't say oil prices increased because that's a good thing.
- defrost 4mo ago
  > You say that as if all the other presidents' wars ... That would be entirely your take on things I did not mention. > The death toll is only around 10000. What's the population of the suburb you live in? About that? > What's the problem? \1 Trump started by destroying an agreement hard fought for by multiple countries that actually contained enrichment. \2 The US has lost the bulk of post WWII soft power built up over decades as a result. \3 Iran has splintered into independent smaller groups any one of which can go rogue with nuclear weapons / dirty bombs. \4 Other states (eg: North Korea) are now fully emboldened and have ramped up their actual nuclear weapon production. ... etc. There's a long long list of problems here - all could have been circumvented by a competent POTUS with a full experienced diplomatic cadre.
  - foxglacier 4mo ago
    >What's the population of the suburb you live in? About that? This comment shows you're being disingenuous. If a war killed 4 people, you'd be asking how big my family was. You can obviously understand the significance of that figure and it's nothing to do with suburbs.