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What does this mean

by bko 4mo ago

What does this mean

krapp 4mo ago
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. See: viruses and the efficacy of vaccines thereupon.
- throwawaypath 3mo ago
  See: trans-women are human males.
nolok 4mo ago
The vaccine was mandatory, like in pretty much every army base of every half developed country, because not having it mandatory led to infection waves and in the army that's even worse than in genpop. The reasons for not doing the vaccine anymore were, essentially, "the vaccine is more dangerous than the sickness" and "the vaccine is not necessary to avoid the sickness". Both of those statement are, factually, scientifically, not true. That's reality. Which is what parent meant, no matter the deep conviction and the political innuendo, ultimately reality is you either do the vaccine and are safe for no risk or you don't and you get infection waves.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > because not having it mandatory led to infection waves and in the army that's even worse than in genpop It also makes a stupidly-obvious tactic viable for the enemy.
  - fhdkweig 3mo ago
    Specifically, there is a reason the US military still vaccinates for smallpox, a virus that was eradicated world-wide 50 years ago. As a civilian, you can't get it even if you wanted it, but as a soldier, you have to take it even if you don't want it. There is also the legend of sieging cities by catapulting diseased cows over the city walls. And if anyone knows the citation for that story, I'd love to see it.
    - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
      "The earliest documented incident of the intention to use biological weapons is possibly recorded in Hittite texts of 1500–1200 BC, in which victims of tularemia were driven into enemy lands, causing an epidemic" [1]. Smallpox is a can of worms. But if you learn your enemy are idiots and don't have a flu vaccine, and you know your own forces do, I don't think you're going to get yourself sanctioned by your trade partners for exposing them to the flu. It will take out a statistically-measurable fraction of their troops, at a predictable interval, something you can plan to exploit with manoeuvre. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_biological_warfare#Antiquity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_biological_warfare#...

What does this mean

by bko 4mo ago

What does this mean

krapp 4mo ago

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. See: viruses and the efficacy of vaccines thereupon.

throwawaypath 3mo ago
See: trans-women are human males.

nolok 4mo ago

The vaccine was mandatory, like in pretty much every army base of every half developed country, because not having it mandatory led to infection waves and in the army that's even worse than in genpop. The reasons for not doing the vaccine anymore were, essentially, "the vaccine is more dangerous than the sickness" and "the vaccine is not necessary to avoid the sickness". Both of those statement are, factually, scientifically, not true. That's reality. Which is what parent meant, no matter the deep conviction and the political innuendo, ultimately reality is you either do the vaccine and are safe for no risk or you don't and you get infection waves.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> because not having it mandatory led to infection waves and in the army that's even worse than in genpop It also makes a stupidly-obvious tactic viable for the enemy.
- fhdkweig 3mo ago
  Specifically, there is a reason the US military still vaccinates for smallpox, a virus that was eradicated world-wide 50 years ago. As a civilian, you can't get it even if you wanted it, but as a soldier, you have to take it even if you don't want it. There is also the legend of sieging cities by catapulting diseased cows over the city walls. And if anyone knows the citation for that story, I'd love to see it.
  - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
    "The earliest documented incident of the intention to use biological weapons is possibly recorded in Hittite texts of 1500–1200 BC, in which victims of tularemia were driven into enemy lands, causing an epidemic" [1]. Smallpox is a can of worms. But if you learn your enemy are idiots and don't have a flu vaccine, and you know your own forces do, I don't think you're going to get yourself sanctioned by your trade partners for exposing them to the flu. It will take out a statistically-measurable fraction of their troops, at a predictable interval, something you can plan to exploit with manoeuvre. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_biological_warfare#Antiquity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_biological_warfare#...