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This seems to come up in every discussion, in practice it’s irrelevant both because it’s too complicated for normal people to understand, and because the point

by andy99 4mo ago

This seems to come up in every discussion, in practice it’s irrelevant both because it’s too complicated for normal people to understand, and because the point of all this nonsense really is identification so anything that defeats that will be a non starter.

bluefirebrand 4mo ago
It doesn't have to be too complicated for normal people to understand. Majority of people understand their SIN or SSN number or whatever, they understand they have a drivers license number. This could be built in such a way that it's basically just be another government issued "thing" that they have to know about and be able to produce when requested
- Geezus_42 4mo ago
  Every government has been working on ways to identify and target individuals online since as long as the internet has existed. Governments are incentivized to continuously increase control. Why would you assume this is not yet another escalation towards their goal of being able to track and silence anyone who pushes back?
  - bluefirebrand 4mo ago
    I didn't comment at all on what the governments goals are Edit: I agree with you 100%, but the fact that governments want to track people online has no bearing on how technically possible it is to build a system where they can't An anonymous internet auth system (probably) won't get built, but it is possible to build
    - Geezus_42 4mo ago
      How is it possible to have something that both proves something about your identity but also does not allow ANYONE to deanonymize you?
      - bluefirebrand 4mo ago
        That's probably too high a bar anyways? It's not like we have that today either.
        Geezus_42 3mo ago
        Possibly aspirational.
- Tangurena2 4mo ago
  > that it's basically just be another government issued "thing" that they have to know about and be able to produce when requested During COVID, there were protests about "vaccine passports" and masks. My state legislature tried introducing bills that would outlaw such things. In 2024, in several states (including mine), legislators introduced bills that would outlaw mRNA (and every vaccine made from it) [0]. REAL ID took almost 2 decades to get every state to implement it until the feds threatened to close all (commercial) airports in states refusing to implement it. Notes: 0 - every year one of my legislators introduces a bill to outlaw chemtrails. This year, he added the plot of Termination Shock to his bill. Bill to make "pureblood" a thing: https://web.archive.org/web/20250118232059/https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/25rs/hb140.html https://web.archive.org/web/20250118232059/https://apps.legi... Bill to outlaw chemtrails & Termination Shock: https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/26rs/hb60.html https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/26rs/hb60.html

by andy99 4mo ago

bluefirebrand 4mo ago

It doesn't have to be too complicated for normal people to understand. Majority of people understand their SIN or SSN number or whatever, they understand they have a drivers license number. This could be built in such a way that it's basically just be another government issued "thing" that they have to know about and be able to produce when requested

Geezus_42 4mo ago
Every government has been working on ways to identify and target individuals online since as long as the internet has existed. Governments are incentivized to continuously increase control. Why would you assume this is not yet another escalation towards their goal of being able to track and silence anyone who pushes back?
- bluefirebrand 4mo ago
  I didn't comment at all on what the governments goals are Edit: I agree with you 100%, but the fact that governments want to track people online has no bearing on how technically possible it is to build a system where they can't An anonymous internet auth system (probably) won't get built, but it is possible to build
  - Geezus_42 4mo ago
    How is it possible to have something that both proves something about your identity but also does not allow ANYONE to deanonymize you?
    - bluefirebrand 4mo ago
      That's probably too high a bar anyways? It's not like we have that today either.
      - Geezus_42 3mo ago
        Possibly aspirational.
Tangurena2 4mo ago
> that it's basically just be another government issued "thing" that they have to know about and be able to produce when requested During COVID, there were protests about "vaccine passports" and masks. My state legislature tried introducing bills that would outlaw such things. In 2024, in several states (including mine), legislators introduced bills that would outlaw mRNA (and every vaccine made from it) [0]. REAL ID took almost 2 decades to get every state to implement it until the feds threatened to close all (commercial) airports in states refusing to implement it. Notes: 0 - every year one of my legislators introduces a bill to outlaw chemtrails. This year, he added the plot of Termination Shock to his bill. Bill to make "pureblood" a thing: https://web.archive.org/web/20250118232059/https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/25rs/hb140.html https://web.archive.org/web/20250118232059/https://apps.legi... Bill to outlaw chemtrails & Termination Shock: https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/26rs/hb60.html https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/26rs/hb60.html