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I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour. This feels like THE FIGHT or at least one of the TOP 3 THE FIGHTS and it hasn’t had even a fraction

I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour. This feels like THE FIGHT or at least one of the TOP 3 THE FIGHTS and it hasn’t had even a fraction of the public’s attention until now.

andy99 4mo ago
Unfortunately I don’t think it has the public’s attention, it’s still very niche. Nowhere near enough to change anything yet.
- miiiiiike 4mo ago
  At least it's a start.
krapp 4mo ago
>I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour. It really isn't, though. Don't mistake the internet for reality. The majority of people in the US and Europe support laws like these, and most of the rest don't care. Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal.
- miiiiiike 4mo ago
  > Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal. That doesn't sound right. Put up a poll. I'd put money on 90%+ choosing some flavor privacy/anonymity on the internet.
  - ricree 4mo ago
    The main issue is that they are very careful not to frame it like that. In broader contexts, it's always framed as something like "do you favor limiting children's access to social media" without a word on what it would cost to actually institute such a ban.
    - rockskon 4mo ago
      It's about as meaningful a framing as asking if you favor world peace and ending world hunger.
      - pibaker 4mo ago
        You can end all wars and eliminate hunger if you point the Death Star at us and kill all life on earth. If someone objects to the collateral damage, remind him that when you said "world peace and no hunger at all costs," you meant all costs.
    - causality0 4mo ago
      You don't necessarily have to be in favor of any measures which reduce adult privacy to be in favor of that. Logically speaking, the liability for minors accessing age-gated products and services is the person who provides those products and services to the minor. In the case of the internet, that person is the parent, not the ISP or the website. It is the parent who contracts with the provider and then forwards the product to the unauthorized user, the child. A parent who purchases, say, access to porn and then provides that access to their child is no different than a parent who buys booze and provides access to it to their child.
    - Terr_ 4mo ago
      Relevant British comedy clip (Yes, [Prime] Minister) on such polls: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks
    - miiiiiike 4mo ago
      Yeah, and we’re starting to inoculate people against that kind of rhetoric. It’s a process.
      - Gigachad 4mo ago
        Not really, if anything we are seeing what a good idea taking kids off social media is and how crazy we allowed this to all happen for so long.
  - krapp 4mo ago
    > I'd put money on 90%+ choosing some flavor privacy/anonymity on the internet. I can only say what I've observed from numerous threads - people's advocacy for privacy on the internet here does not extend so social media. But OK this could be fun let's put my keyboard where my mouth is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48680434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48680434
    - iamnothere 4mo ago
      Talk to people in person and you’ll get a different view (at least among those under 50), especially if you ask about the negatives. Social media is full of astroturfing.
- rockskon 4mo ago
  Don't mistake cynicism for knowledge.
- vlian2088 4mo ago
  >The majority of people in the US and Europe support laws like these okay then, show us a poll where the majority answers "yes" to an unambiguous question like "are you in favor of having to provide your ID or scan your face to access the Internet?" "The majority of people in the US and Europe" support laws against drugs, for example, but would likely object to having their cavities searched three times a day.
marking-time 4mo ago
Most folks already know the internet is not a safe place to express political thought. The powerlessness the public feels is obvious.
Tangurena2 4mo ago
It won't be an issue until mainstream media makes it one. Since the media is owned by right wing billionaires, that media will reflect the biases and interests of those billionaires - many of which own internet platforms that would benefit from knowing the exact identity of every single user.
monssooon 4mo ago
I like your spirit :)

andy99 4mo ago

Unfortunately I don’t think it has the public’s attention, it’s still very niche. Nowhere near enough to change anything yet.

miiiiiike 4mo ago
At least it's a start.

krapp 4mo ago

>I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour. It really isn't, though. Don't mistake the internet for reality. The majority of people in the US and Europe support laws like these, and most of the rest don't care. Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal.

miiiiiike 4mo ago
> Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal. That doesn't sound right. Put up a poll. I'd put money on 90%+ choosing some flavor privacy/anonymity on the internet.
- ricree 4mo ago
  The main issue is that they are very careful not to frame it like that. In broader contexts, it's always framed as something like "do you favor limiting children's access to social media" without a word on what it would cost to actually institute such a ban.
  - rockskon 4mo ago
    It's about as meaningful a framing as asking if you favor world peace and ending world hunger.
    - pibaker 4mo ago
      You can end all wars and eliminate hunger if you point the Death Star at us and kill all life on earth. If someone objects to the collateral damage, remind him that when you said "world peace and no hunger at all costs," you meant all costs.
  - causality0 4mo ago
    You don't necessarily have to be in favor of any measures which reduce adult privacy to be in favor of that. Logically speaking, the liability for minors accessing age-gated products and services is the person who provides those products and services to the minor. In the case of the internet, that person is the parent, not the ISP or the website. It is the parent who contracts with the provider and then forwards the product to the unauthorized user, the child. A parent who purchases, say, access to porn and then provides that access to their child is no different than a parent who buys booze and provides access to it to their child.
  - Terr_ 4mo ago
    Relevant British comedy clip (Yes, [Prime] Minister) on such polls: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks
  - miiiiiike 4mo ago
    Yeah, and we’re starting to inoculate people against that kind of rhetoric. It’s a process.
    - Gigachad 4mo ago
      Not really, if anything we are seeing what a good idea taking kids off social media is and how crazy we allowed this to all happen for so long.
- krapp 4mo ago
  > I'd put money on 90%+ choosing some flavor privacy/anonymity on the internet. I can only say what I've observed from numerous threads - people's advocacy for privacy on the internet here does not extend so social media. But OK this could be fun let's put my keyboard where my mouth is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48680434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48680434
  - iamnothere 4mo ago
    Talk to people in person and you’ll get a different view (at least among those under 50), especially if you ask about the negatives. Social media is full of astroturfing.
rockskon 4mo ago
Don't mistake cynicism for knowledge.
vlian2088 4mo ago
>The majority of people in the US and Europe support laws like these okay then, show us a poll where the majority answers "yes" to an unambiguous question like "are you in favor of having to provide your ID or scan your face to access the Internet?" "The majority of people in the US and Europe" support laws against drugs, for example, but would likely object to having their cavities searched three times a day.

marking-time 4mo ago

Most folks already know the internet is not a safe place to express political thought. The powerlessness the public feels is obvious.

Tangurena2 4mo ago

It won't be an issue until mainstream media makes it one. Since the media is owned by right wing billionaires, that media will reflect the biases and interests of those billionaires - many of which own internet platforms that would benefit from knowing the exact identity of every single user.

monssooon 4mo ago

I like your spirit :)