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It's so interesting to read comments like this and contrast them with the "don't read the code" type of vibes out right now. It feels like half of the developer
by piker 4mo ago
It's so interesting to read comments like this and contrast them with the "don't read the code" type of vibes out right now. It feels like half of the developer world is optimizing low-level struct packing and the other half is YOLO'ing 300 KLOC Electron apps. Very confusing.
- dtj1123 4mo agoI know which kind I want to be.
- dfee 4mo agoi think it's perfect: AI allows you to go incredibly deep (you have unlimited access to context to make incredibly impactful surgical changes), or you can go incredibly broad (you have unlimited access to context to tie a mind numbing amount of components together). what shakes out is the middle layer: "infra" between "algorithms" and "product". though, to be fair, the middle layer itself is composed of this same work. so it's fractal, or turtles all the way down.
- cyclopeanutopia 4mo agoAnd why do you mention AI here at all? These statements are ridiculous, world didn't start last year.
- dfee 4mo agobecause i was responding to a comment about it.
- rogerallen 4mo agoSame as it ever was.
- miki123211 4mo agoyeah, remember those newfangled fancy Node.js guys who would just copy/paste from Stackoverflow without any understanding? Or the Java guys who wrote bloated apps that wasted CPU cycles on garbage collection instead of writing in C++, like God intended? Or the Fortran / Cobol guys who wrote in those God-damned, wasteful, useless high-level languages, instead of using assembly, like a proper programmer should?
- randusername 4mo agoHere's a description of a "real programmer" from all the way back in 1983: https://users.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html https://users.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html
- KingMob 4mo agoI think it makes sense, if one sees that LLMs exposed various pre-existing splits in the developer world. Those who viewed code as a means to build something else, are happy to switch to LLMs if they can build that something faster/cheaper. Whereas, those who liked coding for its own sake, don't want to use LLMs, and fear for their jobs and their happiness. Unfortunately for the latter group, we're moving to a world where most development is done by LLMs, and only cutting-edge or hobbyist work is done manually. E.g., Japanese artisanal wood-working and joinery is beautiful and elegant... but modern carpentry doesn't build that way.
- shakna 4mo agoI used to be paid to go in and fix messes of code, created by juniors who were forced to build things they didn't understand. Now I get to fix things created by managers who enjoyed building things they still don't understand.
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