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What are you even trying to say?

by ezst 4mo ago

dmitrygr 4mo ago
that before long, everyone will be declared a gatekeeper, just so EU can control everything as they please.
- vrganj 4mo ago
  Why shouldn't our sovereign government control things as they please? That's the whole point of sovereignty - people elect government, government makes rules.
  - mctaylor 4mo ago
    That's not how that's supposed to work! Democratically elected governments should have no say as to how many billions of dollars of market activity tech oligarchs are entitled to capture and redirect towards their very noble goal of winning the competition to see who can build the biggest yacht. And, of course, building bunkers for when enough of the general population eventually catches onto and gets tired of the grift...
    - surgical_fire 4mo ago
      Some baseline needs to be a established, because small palyers can't play with the same rules of larger ones. And it is absolutely the role of the government to regulate the market.
      - iso1631 4mo ago
        I believe you missed the dripping sarcasm
        surgical_fire 4mo ago
        Eh, too many people say very similar shit in HN with a straight face. Quite a few here is quite happy to bow to their corporate masters. I can't tell if parent was being sarcastic.
        iso1631 4mo ago
        I agree, and originally that was my take, until I got to "very noble goal of winning the competition to see who can build the biggest yacht." The simps tend not to say the quiet part out loud
        surgical_fire 4mo ago
        Fair enough, I concede the point. That section was too on the nose.
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  - dmitrygr 4mo ago
    You can control what ENTERS your borders, not what happens outside of them. You are free to cut the cables, but not to dictate to those outside your house how to live on the other end of those cables. Else we'll all be living under the union of the rules of everyone. You sure you want that? Iran bans a lot of things you might like, as does china, and russia, and usa.
    - vrganj 4mo ago
      As soon as you send that data into my country, it is happening inside my borders. You can buy magic mushrooms semi legally in the Netherlands. Doesn't mean you won't get in trouble if you send them from the Netherlands to another country.
      - dmitrygr 4mo ago
        So you DO want iran controlling what your LLC does if it is internet connected in any way (which everything is now).
        vrganj 4mo ago
        Or they could just not serve Iran? But yeah, if you operate in a country you should probably follow their laws. I don't see how that's controversial
        dmitrygr 4mo ago
        In the days of the internet "operate in a country" == "exist". Eg: [1] UK has tried to enforce its laws even onto organizations who literally exist in USA only. Their argument: you exist, internet exists, so you are still subject to us. So tell me, how can one exist today and not "operate" in every country where internet exists. And once you see that there is no way, how do you propose your logic for regulation to work, other than by everyone being subject to everyone's rules? [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko Further suggested reading: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.284218/gov.uscourts.dcd.284218.10.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.284...
- IsTom 4mo ago
  You need at least 7.5B euro turnover and 45M MAU in the EU to have a chance to qualify. It's not going to be everyone.
- ezst 4mo ago
  Ok, and what would you say is the problem, there? https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/about-dma_en https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/about-dma_en All I see is more interoperability, fairer competition, more consumer rights, etc. If you are against this sort of regulation and a rational being, I envy you because you must either be oligarch-level rich, or in a happy bubble disconnected from world-affecting current events.

What are you even trying to say?

by ezst 4mo ago

What are you even trying to say?

dmitrygr 4mo ago

that before long, everyone will be declared a gatekeeper, just so EU can control everything as they please.

vrganj 4mo ago
Why shouldn't our sovereign government control things as they please? That's the whole point of sovereignty - people elect government, government makes rules.
- mctaylor 4mo ago
  That's not how that's supposed to work! Democratically elected governments should have no say as to how many billions of dollars of market activity tech oligarchs are entitled to capture and redirect towards their very noble goal of winning the competition to see who can build the biggest yacht. And, of course, building bunkers for when enough of the general population eventually catches onto and gets tired of the grift...
  - surgical_fire 4mo ago
    Some baseline needs to be a established, because small palyers can't play with the same rules of larger ones. And it is absolutely the role of the government to regulate the market.
    - iso1631 4mo ago
      I believe you missed the dripping sarcasm
      - surgical_fire 4mo ago
        Eh, too many people say very similar shit in HN with a straight face. Quite a few here is quite happy to bow to their corporate masters. I can't tell if parent was being sarcastic.
        iso1631 4mo ago
        I agree, and originally that was my take, until I got to "very noble goal of winning the competition to see who can build the biggest yacht." The simps tend not to say the quiet part out loud
        surgical_fire 4mo ago
        Fair enough, I concede the point. That section was too on the nose.
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- dmitrygr 4mo ago
  You can control what ENTERS your borders, not what happens outside of them. You are free to cut the cables, but not to dictate to those outside your house how to live on the other end of those cables. Else we'll all be living under the union of the rules of everyone. You sure you want that? Iran bans a lot of things you might like, as does china, and russia, and usa.
  - vrganj 4mo ago
    As soon as you send that data into my country, it is happening inside my borders. You can buy magic mushrooms semi legally in the Netherlands. Doesn't mean you won't get in trouble if you send them from the Netherlands to another country.
    - dmitrygr 4mo ago
      So you DO want iran controlling what your LLC does if it is internet connected in any way (which everything is now).
      - vrganj 4mo ago
        Or they could just not serve Iran? But yeah, if you operate in a country you should probably follow their laws. I don't see how that's controversial
        dmitrygr 4mo ago
        In the days of the internet "operate in a country" == "exist". Eg: [1] UK has tried to enforce its laws even onto organizations who literally exist in USA only. Their argument: you exist, internet exists, so you are still subject to us. So tell me, how can one exist today and not "operate" in every country where internet exists. And once you see that there is no way, how do you propose your logic for regulation to work, other than by everyone being subject to everyone's rules? [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko Further suggested reading: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.284218/gov.uscourts.dcd.284218.10.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.284...
IsTom 4mo ago
You need at least 7.5B euro turnover and 45M MAU in the EU to have a chance to qualify. It's not going to be everyone.
ezst 4mo ago
Ok, and what would you say is the problem, there? https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/about-dma_en https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/about-dma_en All I see is more interoperability, fairer competition, more consumer rights, etc. If you are against this sort of regulation and a rational being, I envy you because you must either be oligarch-level rich, or in a happy bubble disconnected from world-affecting current events.