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I think Apple lost a bit of credibility after the round-corner fiasco that still persists on Tahoe.

computomatic 4mo ago
Wasn’t it introduced on Tahoe? (Perhaps my memory is failing me here.) Do you mean it still persists on Golden Gate? They seem to have addressed the majority of issues I heard about - unless you mean the issue is that rounded corners exist at all.
- sscaryterry 4mo ago
  See: https://medium.com/@makalin/reclaiming-the-screen-a-developers-fix-for-macos-26-s-corners-a28844a0974d https://medium.com/@makalin/reclaiming-the-screen-a-develope...
  - trumpdong 4mo ago
    AI written article with two fullscreen popups?
InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
They wrote the HIG before Alan came in and trashed the place.
- sscaryterry 4mo ago
  Indeed, I'm sure Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave.
  - vkou 4mo ago
    Steve Jobs was also responsible for brilliant bits of usability like puck mice, and the need to have two functioning hands in order to right-click.
    - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
      As somebody who uses a claw grip, I loved the puck mouse. Now the stupid mouse where the charger plugs in at the bottom, that one actually sucks.
    - usef- 4mo ago
      .... and ensuring the entire UI did not require right click to function. Everything was visible to click. The usability of iPhones and iPads is a great example of how he was right. They're very easy to use and no functionality was hidden in a right click menu: it had to be visible somewhere. Right click was still always available as a shortcut for advanced users.
      - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
        Yeah, I think people who didn't use Macs at the time misunderstand the whole "second mouse button"/"context menu" thing. If you were on Windows, you literally couldn't use the computer without context menus. But Mac OS at the time was designed such that every action the user could access was visible in the regular UI, either through a button or through the menubar. When the context menu was introduced, it was initially designed as a shortcut to actions that were already available elsewhere in the UI.
        vkou 4mo ago
        By the time the context menu was ubiquitous, their mice still did not have two buttons. Just because the feature is available somewhere else in the UI doesn't mean that the shortcut for it must be a two-handed one.
        usef- 4mo ago
        I've been able to plug in any two buttoned mouse for the 22 years since I first used a Mac. Their own trackpads and mice allow two finger tap to be enabled for advanced users (but on a laptop one finger can press ctrl while the other taps). I don't know how far back you're talking about when you imply no support for them. But I remember noticing years ago a large room of tech professionals and 100% of the Windows users had mice plugged into their laptops, and zero percent of Mac users did. It was a failure of the Windows ecosystem that people needed those imho.
koiueo 4mo ago
Apple lost all credibility in UI around the time they introduced colorful vomit instead of app icons.

Wasn’t it introduced on Tahoe? (Perhaps my memory is failing me here.) Do you mean it still persists on Golden Gate? They seem to have addressed the majority of issues I heard about - unless you mean the issue is that rounded corners exist at all.

sscaryterry 4mo ago
See: https://medium.com/@makalin/reclaiming-the-screen-a-developers-fix-for-macos-26-s-corners-a28844a0974d https://medium.com/@makalin/reclaiming-the-screen-a-develope...
- trumpdong 4mo ago
  AI written article with two fullscreen popups?

InsideOutSanta 4mo ago

They wrote the HIG before Alan came in and trashed the place.

sscaryterry 4mo ago
Indeed, I'm sure Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave.
- vkou 4mo ago
  Steve Jobs was also responsible for brilliant bits of usability like puck mice, and the need to have two functioning hands in order to right-click.
  - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
    As somebody who uses a claw grip, I loved the puck mouse. Now the stupid mouse where the charger plugs in at the bottom, that one actually sucks.
  - usef- 4mo ago
    .... and ensuring the entire UI did not require right click to function. Everything was visible to click. The usability of iPhones and iPads is a great example of how he was right. They're very easy to use and no functionality was hidden in a right click menu: it had to be visible somewhere. Right click was still always available as a shortcut for advanced users.
    - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
      Yeah, I think people who didn't use Macs at the time misunderstand the whole "second mouse button"/"context menu" thing. If you were on Windows, you literally couldn't use the computer without context menus. But Mac OS at the time was designed such that every action the user could access was visible in the regular UI, either through a button or through the menubar. When the context menu was introduced, it was initially designed as a shortcut to actions that were already available elsewhere in the UI.
      - vkou 4mo ago
        By the time the context menu was ubiquitous, their mice still did not have two buttons. Just because the feature is available somewhere else in the UI doesn't mean that the shortcut for it must be a two-handed one.
        usef- 4mo ago
        I've been able to plug in any two buttoned mouse for the 22 years since I first used a Mac. Their own trackpads and mice allow two finger tap to be enabled for advanced users (but on a laptop one finger can press ctrl while the other taps). I don't know how far back you're talking about when you imply no support for them. But I remember noticing years ago a large room of tech professionals and 100% of the Windows users had mice plugged into their laptops, and zero percent of Mac users did. It was a failure of the Windows ecosystem that people needed those imho.

koiueo 4mo ago

Apple lost all credibility in UI around the time they introduced colorful vomit instead of app icons.