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European Commission lines up Amazon and Microsoft for cloud gatekeeper status
- dmitrygr 4mo agoAnd when everyone is a gatekeeper … no one is
- ezst 4mo agoWhat are you even trying to say?
- dmitrygr 4mo agothat before long, everyone will be declared a gatekeeper, just so EU can control everything as they please.
- vrganj 4mo agoWhy shouldn't our sovereign government control things as they please? That's the whole point of sovereignty - people elect government, government makes rules.
- mctaylor 4mo agoThat's not how that's supposed to work! Democratically elected governments should have no say as to how many billions of dollars of market activity tech oligarchs are entitled to capture and redirect towards their very noble goal of winning the competition to see who can build the biggest yacht. And, of course, building bunkers for when enough of the general population eventually catches onto and gets tired of the grift...
- surgical_fire 4mo agoSome baseline needs to be a established, because small palyers can't play with the same rules of larger ones. And it is absolutely the role of the government to regulate the market.
- iso1631 4mo agoI believe you missed the dripping sarcasm
- surgical_fire 4mo agoEh, too many people say very similar shit in HN with a straight face. Quite a few here is quite happy to bow to their corporate masters. I can't tell if parent was being sarcastic.
- iso1631 4mo agoI agree, and originally that was my take, until I got to "very noble goal of winning the competition to see who can build the biggest yacht." The simps tend not to say the quiet part out loud
- surgical_fire 4mo agoFair enough, I concede the point. That section was too on the nose.
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- dmitrygr 4mo agoYou can control what ENTERS your borders, not what happens outside of them. You are free to cut the cables, but not to dictate to those outside your house how to live on the other end of those cables. Else we'll all be living under the union of the rules of everyone. You sure you want that? Iran bans a lot of things you might like, as does china, and russia, and usa.
- vrganj 4mo agoAs soon as you send that data into my country, it is happening inside my borders. You can buy magic mushrooms semi legally in the Netherlands. Doesn't mean you won't get in trouble if you send them from the Netherlands to another country.
- dmitrygr 4mo agoSo you DO want iran controlling what your LLC does if it is internet connected in any way (which everything is now).
- vrganj 4mo agoOr they could just not serve Iran? But yeah, if you operate in a country you should probably follow their laws. I don't see how that's controversial
- dmitrygr 4mo agoIn the days of the internet "operate in a country" == "exist". Eg: [1] UK has tried to enforce its laws even onto organizations who literally exist in USA only. Their argument: you exist, internet exists, so you are still subject to us. So tell me, how can one exist today and not "operate" in every country where internet exists. And once you see that there is no way, how do you propose your logic for regulation to work, other than by everyone being subject to everyone's rules? [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko Further suggested reading: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.284218/gov.uscourts.dcd.284218.10.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.284...
- IsTom 4mo agoYou need at least 7.5B euro turnover and 45M MAU in the EU to have a chance to qualify. It's not going to be everyone.
- ezst 4mo agoOk, and what would you say is the problem, there? https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/about-dma_en https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/about-dma_en All I see is more interoperability, fairer competition, more consumer rights, etc. If you are against this sort of regulation and a rational being, I envy you because you must either be oligarch-level rich, or in a happy bubble disconnected from world-affecting current events.
- samrus 4mo agoThats not how it works
- twoodfin 4mo agoWho’s on each side of the gate?
- vrganj 4mo agoOn one side, consumers. On the other, vendors.
- twoodfin 4mo agoConsumers of what? Vendors of what?
- SiempreViernes 4mo agoAre you sure you know what AWS is?
- twoodfin 4mo agoA vendor of web services, predominantly to enterprises & institutions. I’m not trying to be obtuse here. For Apple it’s obvious: They’re a “gatekeeper” between software and hardware makers and iPhone users. If you want to offer your software or hardware to those users, Apple has to let your products through the gate. If I make SSDs that aren’t the ones Amazon uses, does Amazon have to make it possible for me to use their data centers to rent those SSDs to enterprise customers via EBS?
- iso1631 4mo ago10% of Microsoft's turnover is $28b, 10% of amazon is $71b The goal here is to make sure these companies obey the law though, which big tech companies seem to think is optional.
- dumbmrblah 4mo agoReally should be the turnover amount for operations originating from the EU, not worldwide.
- specproc 4mo agoIn which case, they route it all through some subsidiary in the Cayman Islands and it magically disappears. No, this is a deterrent against anti-consumer behaviour, and it should be meaningful.
- Scarblac 4mo agoNo, that would make it even less likely that they obey the law.
- ygjb 4mo agoWhy? The US likes to flex it's muscle by pushing other governments around on behalf of its commercial interests. I think it's well past time for Canada to either formally pursue toes with the EU or pursue alignment with EU consumer protection legislation. Middle powers unite!
- sunshine-o 4mo agoThe problem is nobody believe those company would ever hand over 10% or even 1% of their turnover to the EU. The EU should be careful with those kind of threats because in the world that is taking shape I can really imagine MS telling them one day that none of their Windows is gonna boot tomorrow if they don't calm down. The EU at large is totally dependent on those companies so who is really fearing who?
- SiempreViernes 4mo ago
- aerzen 4mo agoSeems like good news - market share of AWS and Azure in EU is huge, so I naturally support efforts to kurb power of such duopoly. But what would be practical effects of DMA on AWS? Who is the customer, who is the vendor?
- pvtmert 4mo agoThe comment from a 5-year old: But Google is doing that too! > The spokesperson added: "We remain concerned that ignoring the growing power of Google Cloud and Gemini will tilt the market in a harmful way."