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How interesting. So a Ford car is now more reliable than a Toyota soon after purchase but Toyota didn’t fire anyone and Ford fired, implemented automated review

by arjie 4mo ago

How interesting. So a Ford car is now more reliable than a Toyota soon after purchase but Toyota didn’t fire anyone and Ford fired, implemented automated reviews, and rehired. So their process didn’t bring them back to neutral. It placed them above the traditionally reliable manufacturers. So maybe the key is firing everyone and then rehiring the good guys after you implement automated systems. Though I’m somewhat surprised. I didn’t expect Porsches to top a reliability measure. I thought they were in the “fancy but unreliable” bin. Interesting.

SoftTalker 4mo ago
The Porsche 911 is pretty reliable, it's basically the same car they've made for over 50 years so they've got it figured out.
- jeffbee 4mo ago
  This seems like a totally crazy statement. The only common thing that a current and 50-year-old 911 share is that there are six holes in the engine block.
  - LgWoodenBadger 4mo ago
    And the engine is behind the rear axle.
realo 4mo ago
Maybe... but the re-hiring probably involved very substantial salary raises for the re-hirees. An expensive process.
brianmckenzie 4mo ago
I've had two different Porsches, a Cayman S and a Macan. Neither gave me a day of trouble. You just have to do all the maintenance, which is obviously expensive.
jeffffff 4mo ago
porsche is part of volkswagen, so it's not that surprising that they're decently reliable. i probably see 10 porsches for every ferrari, lamborghini, etc that i see, and i think a large part of that is reliability - even absurdly rich people don't want to deal with an unreliable car when there is a more reliable alternative.
Ekaros 4mo ago
I wonder if Porsche is allowed to exist in point where they are not fully cost optimised so there is more spend on those slight things that keep reliability. Most other large manufacturer cars seem to be cost optimised while least amount of that is carried over to customers...

by arjie 4mo ago

SoftTalker 4mo ago

The Porsche 911 is pretty reliable, it's basically the same car they've made for over 50 years so they've got it figured out.

jeffbee 4mo ago
This seems like a totally crazy statement. The only common thing that a current and 50-year-old 911 share is that there are six holes in the engine block.
- LgWoodenBadger 4mo ago
  And the engine is behind the rear axle.

realo 4mo ago

Maybe... but the re-hiring probably involved very substantial salary raises for the re-hirees. An expensive process.

brianmckenzie 4mo ago

I've had two different Porsches, a Cayman S and a Macan. Neither gave me a day of trouble. You just have to do all the maintenance, which is obviously expensive.

jeffffff 4mo ago

porsche is part of volkswagen, so it's not that surprising that they're decently reliable. i probably see 10 porsches for every ferrari, lamborghini, etc that i see, and i think a large part of that is reliability - even absurdly rich people don't want to deal with an unreliable car when there is a more reliable alternative.

Ekaros 4mo ago

I wonder if Porsche is allowed to exist in point where they are not fully cost optimised so there is more spend on those slight things that keep reliability. Most other large manufacturer cars seem to be cost optimised while least amount of that is carried over to customers...