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You were on a plan that explicitly includes ads; if you don't want to see them (I don't either), then you can either upgrade to the no-ad tier or, as you did, c

You were on a plan that explicitly includes ads; if you don't want to see them (I don't either), then you can either upgrade to the no-ad tier or, as you did, cancel. Neither choice is wrong, but OpenAI definitely has been open about that lowest-tier paid plan having ads.

21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
Or you go golden platinum extra special customer - to become even more addless for now. I find it hilarious that they insert the adds that manual though. It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...
- jstummbillig 3mo ago
  When ethics become hilarious.
  - 21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
    Important is to have a illusion of choice, a play-thing of liberty. A painted on door. Buttons for settings that do nothing. Freedom is the illusion of choice.
    - senordevnyc 3mo ago
      So edgy.
      - 21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
        The socialists usually do the "its not real libertarianism" when the cognitive dissonance of ideological failure hits - and the persecute the failing humans as traitors? Maybe do that too? Make "privacy settings violation" prosecutors office, demanding citizen spend at least n hours per week on the shenanigans?
- aesthesia 3mo ago
  I'm not sure it would be so easy to do it in a consistent, verifiable way. You can certainly prompt the LLM to work the ad into the conversation, but making sure it actually happens and is done in a way that the advertiser is going to be happy with is a lot harder.
  - 21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
    Me, im not myself when hungry, but you do you ..
- Cider9986 3mo ago
  There's a black mirror episode like this. Not quite as bad having an AI doing it, though. A woman needs this treatment after a brain injury. Iirc it clones her brain onto their servers. It's super experimental, it's a free surgery with a subscription service where you need to be within the supported area like cell towers. If she stops paying for the service she will die. They promised to expand the support area to more countries and areas, but they end up raising prices as well as adding in advertising. The advertising takes over her body at random contextual times and she basically does an ad read to the people in whatever situation. It starts happening at the school where she works, she tells a kid about a certain product after he asks her about a problem. She's gonna lose her job because it creeps everyone out, so she has to pay more to get rid of the advertising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)
  - qsxfthnkp2322 3mo ago
    Oh man it might be time to watch the seventh season of this show
  - nightgardener 3mo ago
    Similar to the cloned dead kid in Good Luck Have Fun Don't Die who comes back embedded with ads and won't shut up about how much he loves "appleberry peach tea, it's only got 70 calories and it's delicious. Made from real fruit flavoring".
    - cindyllm 3mo ago
      [dead]
- everforward 3mo ago
  > It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation... Probably not without changing the underlying response and tanking the benchmark ratings. Like I ask it to generate code, it tries to add a slogan reminder, now the comments on my code have Tide's slogan in them and the variables are all named "bleach". Probably less humorous than that, but the underlying point stands. People will be extremely upset about their prompts being tinkered with, and any perceived degradation in quality will be quickly attributed to them. The hidden nature of them will probably cause speculation that they do the same on the higher tier plans.
  - avgDev 3mo ago
    I think the ads would be more targeted. You ask it about code, and it suggests a paid library or an app that you can pay for. It is quite interesting problem, because you could just respond with ok I want you to write whatever that library does. I don't want to pay for this. If my business was a large CRUD app, like CRM I would be worried about smaller apps popping up on the market.
- drcongo 3mo ago
  Now I'm wondering if all those extra Ds in ads are a subconscious ad.
  - 21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
    If the gramar of adds is context free then the pumping lema applies.. and may allow to add additional d to the add
matheusmoreira 3mo ago
Never pay to avoid ads. Signals you've got money to waste, makes your attention even more valuable. You're paying to self-segment into the upper echelons of the market.
- estearum 3mo ago
  So?
  - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
    So eventually some shareholder value maximizing CEO will come along and notice all the fat stacks of money he's leaving on the table by not advertising to all of those rich contrarians, which were kind enough to provide you with a database of themselves. A switch will be flipped and suddenly they will all get ads as well. Always block the ads instead. Unconditionally, and without paying even one cent in extortion money. Your attention is yours. It's not theirs to sell to the highest bidder. You shouldn't have to pay in order to avoid being assaulted by ads. Blocking is legitimate self-defense. "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
    - mpalmer 3mo ago
      How exactly do you suggest blocking ads that appear inline in your LLM chats
      - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
        Maybe use another LLM to filter them out. The world's first LLM-powered ad blocker.
        jfoster 3mo ago
        Presumably you'd be paying for that, right? What if the CEO of that one will come along and notice all the fat stacks of money he's leaving on the table by not advertising to all of those rich contrarians?

21asdffdsa12 3mo ago

Or you go golden platinum extra special customer - to become even more addless for now. I find it hilarious that they insert the adds that manual though. It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...

jstummbillig 3mo ago
When ethics become hilarious.
- 21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
  Important is to have a illusion of choice, a play-thing of liberty. A painted on door. Buttons for settings that do nothing. Freedom is the illusion of choice.
  - senordevnyc 3mo ago
    So edgy.
    - 21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
      The socialists usually do the "its not real libertarianism" when the cognitive dissonance of ideological failure hits - and the persecute the failing humans as traitors? Maybe do that too? Make "privacy settings violation" prosecutors office, demanding citizen spend at least n hours per week on the shenanigans?
aesthesia 3mo ago
I'm not sure it would be so easy to do it in a consistent, verifiable way. You can certainly prompt the LLM to work the ad into the conversation, but making sure it actually happens and is done in a way that the advertiser is going to be happy with is a lot harder.
- 21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
  Me, im not myself when hungry, but you do you ..
Cider9986 3mo ago
There's a black mirror episode like this. Not quite as bad having an AI doing it, though. A woman needs this treatment after a brain injury. Iirc it clones her brain onto their servers. It's super experimental, it's a free surgery with a subscription service where you need to be within the supported area like cell towers. If she stops paying for the service she will die. They promised to expand the support area to more countries and areas, but they end up raising prices as well as adding in advertising. The advertising takes over her body at random contextual times and she basically does an ad read to the people in whatever situation. It starts happening at the school where she works, she tells a kid about a certain product after he asks her about a problem. She's gonna lose her job because it creeps everyone out, so she has to pay more to get rid of the advertising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)
- qsxfthnkp2322 3mo ago
  Oh man it might be time to watch the seventh season of this show
- nightgardener 3mo ago
  Similar to the cloned dead kid in Good Luck Have Fun Don't Die who comes back embedded with ads and won't shut up about how much he loves "appleberry peach tea, it's only got 70 calories and it's delicious. Made from real fruit flavoring".
  - cindyllm 3mo ago
    [dead]
everforward 3mo ago
> It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation... Probably not without changing the underlying response and tanking the benchmark ratings. Like I ask it to generate code, it tries to add a slogan reminder, now the comments on my code have Tide's slogan in them and the variables are all named "bleach". Probably less humorous than that, but the underlying point stands. People will be extremely upset about their prompts being tinkered with, and any perceived degradation in quality will be quickly attributed to them. The hidden nature of them will probably cause speculation that they do the same on the higher tier plans.
- avgDev 3mo ago
  I think the ads would be more targeted. You ask it about code, and it suggests a paid library or an app that you can pay for. It is quite interesting problem, because you could just respond with ok I want you to write whatever that library does. I don't want to pay for this. If my business was a large CRUD app, like CRM I would be worried about smaller apps popping up on the market.
drcongo 3mo ago
Now I'm wondering if all those extra Ds in ads are a subconscious ad.
- 21asdffdsa12 3mo ago
  If the gramar of adds is context free then the pumping lema applies.. and may allow to add additional d to the add

matheusmoreira 3mo ago

Never pay to avoid ads. Signals you've got money to waste, makes your attention even more valuable. You're paying to self-segment into the upper echelons of the market.

estearum 3mo ago
So?
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago
  So eventually some shareholder value maximizing CEO will come along and notice all the fat stacks of money he's leaving on the table by not advertising to all of those rich contrarians, which were kind enough to provide you with a database of themselves. A switch will be flipped and suddenly they will all get ads as well. Always block the ads instead. Unconditionally, and without paying even one cent in extortion money. Your attention is yours. It's not theirs to sell to the highest bidder. You shouldn't have to pay in order to avoid being assaulted by ads. Blocking is legitimate self-defense. "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
  - mpalmer 3mo ago
    How exactly do you suggest blocking ads that appear inline in your LLM chats
    - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
      Maybe use another LLM to filter them out. The world's first LLM-powered ad blocker.
      - jfoster 3mo ago
        Presumably you'd be paying for that, right? What if the CEO of that one will come along and notice all the fat stacks of money he's leaving on the table by not advertising to all of those rich contrarians?