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I’d love that heat in the winter. Imagine, free heat! Linus heats his pool with excess cpu heat. It’s all about using things wisely and not panicking. AI and da

I’d love that heat in the winter. Imagine, free heat! Linus heats his pool with excess cpu heat. It’s all about using things wisely and not panicking. AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them, but you can leverage their waste for profit.

coldtea 3mo ago
>AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them Sounds more like a threat than something desired
- expedition32 3mo ago
  They were banned in my country through a democratic process. Ofcourse it is easier when they are all owned by foreign companies lol. If they actually made money and provided jobs (lmao) it might be different.
  - Saline9515 3mo ago
    Which country? Did they also ban AI use to be coherent?
    - sebzim4500 3mo ago
      I don't see why it would be incoherent to ban datacenters but not AI use.
      - Saline9515 3mo ago
        Because it's a classic NIMBY move, where you pay others for the negative externalities of your consumption.
  - rafram 3mo ago
    I'm not sure which country that is, but it would have to be on a different planet! No country on Earth has banned data centers.
altmanaltman 3mo ago
"Everyone will be living in the metaverse by 2025, you can't fight it so might as well buy virtual property near Snoop Dogg" It takes one recesssion and all datacenter spending will get rolled back. Yes technology will not go away, AI has been here for over many decades that doesn't mean the current paradigm will continue always and exactly the same forever into the future. If history shows us anything its that paradigms change
- budsniffer952 3mo ago
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  - sophacles 3mo ago
    I wonder why dark fiber was so cheap in the early 2000s when google famously started using it to link their datacenters? Not to mention that a huge percentage of the fiber laid in the 90s was never used. It was put in the wrong place or turned out to be the wrong type or was just lost when the "the internet is the future and will change everything. it runs over fiber and we'll need so much more than we could ever lay" companies went bust.
mrhottakes 3mo ago
> AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them, Maybe you can't (or don't want to), but people can absolutely fight data center construction. Your lack of imagination doesn't bind others.
- __alexs 3mo ago
  Have you read Don Quixote?
- dyauspitr 3mo ago
  But why? I want cheap tokens. Build a data center on every block (or more realistically in all the empty space we have everywhere).
  - jondwillis 3mo ago
    Unironic Paperclip Maximalism. Huh. I propose that you don’t actually want cheap tokens. You want cheap tokens in service of some other goals. Are they worth the environmental cost?
    - dyauspitr 3mo ago
      Yeah, I imagine most computer systems will just talk to each other fuzzily. Millions of tokens/s real time, dirt cheap, working on loops, solving problems. They don’t have to be bad for the environment. We can mandate that all new data centers be entirely solar+battery powered.
  - smcg 3mo ago
    Your backyard first.
  - arm32 3mo ago
    dyauspitr, please respond. I'm trying to contact you about building a data center next to your home, or in your basement, or in your closet. I'll set it up for you. Please respond.
nashashmi 3mo ago
If you don't fight data centers, data centers won't seek solution oriented ways to lower their footprint. You are really saying that you can't fight data center demand. And that is true, but you can restrain their supply, increase their cost, and optimize on low impact approaches.
- collabs 3mo ago
  > If you don't fight data centers, data centers won't seek solution oriented ways to lower their footprint. You are really saying that you can't fight data center demand. And that is true, but you can restrain their supply, increase their cost, and optimize on low impact approaches. Not that this is an apples to apples comparison but imagine people saying that about nuclear reactors. Yes, we want them to be as safe as possible and as efficient as possible but that doesn't mean we don't build it. And at the risk of being a NIMBY, AI data centers don't have to be located right next to my house. Unlike regular data centers, these can and should be in the frigid cold. That would probably be for the best anyway. All it needs is redundant fiber network connection, right? Also we should probably require all AI data centers to use renewable energy only. All these are doable but the fight against AI data centers has to be practical and solutions oriented, not fighting it for the sake of fighting it.
  - sophacles 3mo ago
    Nuclear and datacenter comparisons aren't the apples to apples type you're so fond of. Any safety measure that requires the humans to do the right procedures the right way for 10^5 years is not safety.
- dyauspitr 3mo ago
  Then ask for legislation that they have to be powered by solar power+batteries or something
  - nashashmi 3mo ago
    Simple community objections should be sufficient to legislate change. Right now we see pride and ignorance from data centers to community concerns.
boulos 3mo ago
Yep. Google does this in Finland for the Hamina datacenter: https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/around-the-globe/google-europe/our-first-offsite-heat-recovery-project-lands-in-finland/ https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/around-the-gl...

coldtea 3mo ago

>AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them Sounds more like a threat than something desired

expedition32 3mo ago
They were banned in my country through a democratic process. Ofcourse it is easier when they are all owned by foreign companies lol. If they actually made money and provided jobs (lmao) it might be different.
- Saline9515 3mo ago
  Which country? Did they also ban AI use to be coherent?
  - sebzim4500 3mo ago
    I don't see why it would be incoherent to ban datacenters but not AI use.
    - Saline9515 3mo ago
      Because it's a classic NIMBY move, where you pay others for the negative externalities of your consumption.
- rafram 3mo ago
  I'm not sure which country that is, but it would have to be on a different planet! No country on Earth has banned data centers.

altmanaltman 3mo ago

"Everyone will be living in the metaverse by 2025, you can't fight it so might as well buy virtual property near Snoop Dogg" It takes one recesssion and all datacenter spending will get rolled back. Yes technology will not go away, AI has been here for over many decades that doesn't mean the current paradigm will continue always and exactly the same forever into the future. If history shows us anything its that paradigms change

budsniffer952 3mo ago
[flagged]
- sophacles 3mo ago
  I wonder why dark fiber was so cheap in the early 2000s when google famously started using it to link their datacenters? Not to mention that a huge percentage of the fiber laid in the 90s was never used. It was put in the wrong place or turned out to be the wrong type or was just lost when the "the internet is the future and will change everything. it runs over fiber and we'll need so much more than we could ever lay" companies went bust.

mrhottakes 3mo ago

> AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them, Maybe you can't (or don't want to), but people can absolutely fight data center construction. Your lack of imagination doesn't bind others.

__alexs 3mo ago
Have you read Don Quixote?
dyauspitr 3mo ago
But why? I want cheap tokens. Build a data center on every block (or more realistically in all the empty space we have everywhere).
- jondwillis 3mo ago
  Unironic Paperclip Maximalism. Huh. I propose that you don’t actually want cheap tokens. You want cheap tokens in service of some other goals. Are they worth the environmental cost?
  - dyauspitr 3mo ago
    Yeah, I imagine most computer systems will just talk to each other fuzzily. Millions of tokens/s real time, dirt cheap, working on loops, solving problems. They don’t have to be bad for the environment. We can mandate that all new data centers be entirely solar+battery powered.
- smcg 3mo ago
  Your backyard first.
- arm32 3mo ago
  dyauspitr, please respond. I'm trying to contact you about building a data center next to your home, or in your basement, or in your closet. I'll set it up for you. Please respond.

nashashmi 3mo ago

If you don't fight data centers, data centers won't seek solution oriented ways to lower their footprint. You are really saying that you can't fight data center demand. And that is true, but you can restrain their supply, increase their cost, and optimize on low impact approaches.

collabs 3mo ago
> If you don't fight data centers, data centers won't seek solution oriented ways to lower their footprint. You are really saying that you can't fight data center demand. And that is true, but you can restrain their supply, increase their cost, and optimize on low impact approaches. Not that this is an apples to apples comparison but imagine people saying that about nuclear reactors. Yes, we want them to be as safe as possible and as efficient as possible but that doesn't mean we don't build it. And at the risk of being a NIMBY, AI data centers don't have to be located right next to my house. Unlike regular data centers, these can and should be in the frigid cold. That would probably be for the best anyway. All it needs is redundant fiber network connection, right? Also we should probably require all AI data centers to use renewable energy only. All these are doable but the fight against AI data centers has to be practical and solutions oriented, not fighting it for the sake of fighting it.
- sophacles 3mo ago
  Nuclear and datacenter comparisons aren't the apples to apples type you're so fond of. Any safety measure that requires the humans to do the right procedures the right way for 10^5 years is not safety.
dyauspitr 3mo ago
Then ask for legislation that they have to be powered by solar power+batteries or something
- nashashmi 3mo ago
  Simple community objections should be sufficient to legislate change. Right now we see pride and ignorance from data centers to community concerns.

boulos 3mo ago

Yep. Google does this in Finland for the Hamina datacenter: https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/around-the-globe/google-europe/our-first-offsite-heat-recovery-project-lands-in-finland/ https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/around-the-gl...