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You could've commented literally anything else instead of this but instead went with a zero-content apparent criticism of the web page.

praash 4mo ago
> zero-content Changing the default demo is a reasonable and actionable suggestion.
- philipallstar 4mo ago
  But not why.
  - kreetx 4mo ago
    The topic of the demo is just ..odd: it's negative in its nature, difficult to understand (is there a message or a joke in there?), the animation isn't aesthetically pleasing either.
  - quietbritishjim 4mo ago
    You just need to be older than 12 to understand what is problematic about the demo. Just pointing it out was sufficient.
9dev 4mo ago
Reproducing cringy sexist bullshit is a choice deserving of criticism.
- philipallstar 4mo ago
  No-one's mentioned that anything's sexist, or how. You're filling in the blanks to create content where there wasn't any.
  - nilirl 4mo ago
    That's how conversation works. Things can be implied when it's obvious. And if it's not, the onus is on you to ask why.
    - philipallstar 4mo ago
      > That's how conversation works. Things can be implied when it's obvious. That's how groupthink works. > And if it's not, the onus is on you to ask why. I have asked why. Note the lack of answers, but the surfeit of pearl-clutching replies.
      - nilirl 4mo ago
        Where's your argument, Braveheart? Why play coy? If people don't like this choice, where's your defense for it? The demo is not egregious by itself, it's the choice of the demo for this circumstance. Why boy-hits-boy-with-rock-for-girl for an animation DSL?
  - oulipo2 4mo ago
    The fact that EVERYBODY here sees it but you, tells you that perhaps you should take a step back and try to understand... it might be YOU who don't get it at all...
    - csneeky 4mo ago
      I think the poster gets it. As do I. And I do not believe either of us care all that much about the vocal minority.
      - 9dev 4mo ago
        Isn't that funny, considering you seem to be the vocal minority here?
    - libria 4mo ago
      Folks, we're now 5 levels deep on this thread and I still haven't heard it spelled out what's wrong. I see "it's obvious" "cringey" and allcaps being used. Being able to vocalize specific problems and having the courage to clearly state it is a life skill. Please be specific about the problem and why. Bonus points for replacement suggestions. The boys-fight-for-girl is a very typical movie trope and this is a scene-based product. Maybe that's why they defaulted to it.
- mapcars 4mo ago
  Its the plague of western people thinking they have the moral high ground over other cultures and nations. In the place where I grew up this kind of scene would be considered normal. But you must be the one who dictates what is right and what is wrong, don't you?
  - blanched 4mo ago
    Why are you passionately defending this? I doubt the author cares much, it's clearly an example that came about through vibe coding. It's not core to the tech/product, people think it's off-putting, why not change it? Hacker News loves to talk about being amazing business-people and "understanding the customer" but somehow that gets dropped for things like this.
    - mapcars 4mo ago
      I'm not defending it, I'm saying "cringy sexist bullshit" is just a modern liberal western take. It could have been something like "people might see it problematic", and I agree with that.
  - hnlmorg 4mo ago
    Please do tell me which culture finds it acceptable to throw rocks at people because they happen to like the same woman. Even ignoring the unnecessary language, sexist content, gender stereotyping, and so on and so forth, just the warrantless violent act in that story is enough for people to object to. And enough people have objected that there isn’t any good reason for the author to keep that animation included. Particularly when it doesn’t actually demonstrate this library in a way that literally any of demo couldn’t. So why even defend it?
  - 9dev 4mo ago
    > moral high ground over other cultures and nations. I don't think I have that, really. But I have the high ground over people who objectify groups of other people, and if that is really central to your culture, then I am not accepting of it. Make of that what you will; you do not seem particularly open to criticism either.
oulipo2 4mo ago
The fact that people in the tech-world don't realize that they are embodying deeply ingrained sexist / toxic behavior is the reason why women aren't more present, and why people like Musk or other sociopaths have been celebrated by this community, while the rest of the world hate them...
- bckr 4mo ago
  Yes. It’s astonishing how I see individuals with these enormous egos centered on their intellectual, technical achievements, who have such egregious blindspots surrounding their own unethical attitudes and behavior. Sirs, please turn the apparatus upon itself. Question yourself as a part of a larger system. What is your function among members of your own species? How can you falsify your hypotheses on this subject? Please don’t be so incurious.

praash 4mo ago

> zero-content Changing the default demo is a reasonable and actionable suggestion.

philipallstar 4mo ago
But not why.
- kreetx 4mo ago
  The topic of the demo is just ..odd: it's negative in its nature, difficult to understand (is there a message or a joke in there?), the animation isn't aesthetically pleasing either.
- quietbritishjim 4mo ago
  You just need to be older than 12 to understand what is problematic about the demo. Just pointing it out was sufficient.

9dev 4mo ago

Reproducing cringy sexist bullshit is a choice deserving of criticism.

philipallstar 4mo ago
No-one's mentioned that anything's sexist, or how. You're filling in the blanks to create content where there wasn't any.
- nilirl 4mo ago
  That's how conversation works. Things can be implied when it's obvious. And if it's not, the onus is on you to ask why.
  - philipallstar 4mo ago
    > That's how conversation works. Things can be implied when it's obvious. That's how groupthink works. > And if it's not, the onus is on you to ask why. I have asked why. Note the lack of answers, but the surfeit of pearl-clutching replies.
    - nilirl 4mo ago
      Where's your argument, Braveheart? Why play coy? If people don't like this choice, where's your defense for it? The demo is not egregious by itself, it's the choice of the demo for this circumstance. Why boy-hits-boy-with-rock-for-girl for an animation DSL?
- oulipo2 4mo ago
  The fact that EVERYBODY here sees it but you, tells you that perhaps you should take a step back and try to understand... it might be YOU who don't get it at all...
  - csneeky 4mo ago
    I think the poster gets it. As do I. And I do not believe either of us care all that much about the vocal minority.
    - 9dev 4mo ago
      Isn't that funny, considering you seem to be the vocal minority here?
  - libria 4mo ago
    Folks, we're now 5 levels deep on this thread and I still haven't heard it spelled out what's wrong. I see "it's obvious" "cringey" and allcaps being used. Being able to vocalize specific problems and having the courage to clearly state it is a life skill. Please be specific about the problem and why. Bonus points for replacement suggestions. The boys-fight-for-girl is a very typical movie trope and this is a scene-based product. Maybe that's why they defaulted to it.
mapcars 4mo ago
Its the plague of western people thinking they have the moral high ground over other cultures and nations. In the place where I grew up this kind of scene would be considered normal. But you must be the one who dictates what is right and what is wrong, don't you?
- blanched 4mo ago
  Why are you passionately defending this? I doubt the author cares much, it's clearly an example that came about through vibe coding. It's not core to the tech/product, people think it's off-putting, why not change it? Hacker News loves to talk about being amazing business-people and "understanding the customer" but somehow that gets dropped for things like this.
  - mapcars 4mo ago
    I'm not defending it, I'm saying "cringy sexist bullshit" is just a modern liberal western take. It could have been something like "people might see it problematic", and I agree with that.
- hnlmorg 4mo ago
  Please do tell me which culture finds it acceptable to throw rocks at people because they happen to like the same woman. Even ignoring the unnecessary language, sexist content, gender stereotyping, and so on and so forth, just the warrantless violent act in that story is enough for people to object to. And enough people have objected that there isn’t any good reason for the author to keep that animation included. Particularly when it doesn’t actually demonstrate this library in a way that literally any of demo couldn’t. So why even defend it?
- 9dev 4mo ago
  > moral high ground over other cultures and nations. I don't think I have that, really. But I have the high ground over people who objectify groups of other people, and if that is really central to your culture, then I am not accepting of it. Make of that what you will; you do not seem particularly open to criticism either.

oulipo2 4mo ago

The fact that people in the tech-world don't realize that they are embodying deeply ingrained sexist / toxic behavior is the reason why women aren't more present, and why people like Musk or other sociopaths have been celebrated by this community, while the rest of the world hate them...

bckr 4mo ago
Yes. It’s astonishing how I see individuals with these enormous egos centered on their intellectual, technical achievements, who have such egregious blindspots surrounding their own unethical attitudes and behavior. Sirs, please turn the apparatus upon itself. Question yourself as a part of a larger system. What is your function among members of your own species? How can you falsify your hypotheses on this subject? Please don’t be so incurious.