> You and I basically disagree about the assumed purpose of Bret's site. Fair enough :) I think we should wait for Bret's comment on this, only he will be able

> You and I basically disagree about the assumed purpose of Bret's site. Fair enough :) I think we should wait for Bret's comment on this, only he will be able to tell us what he really intended to achieve with his site. > Caring about "product" and UX doesn't mean you'll get burned out or go into management ;) I know you weren't generalizing, I wasn't generalizing, but I certainly was exaggerating... a bit. Sure I like my code to be used, and that it feels nice to have users that are happy to work with something I created. It's just that my focus is primarily in code and I feel a bit frustrated here, because it seems like I'm in minority. There are many people here commenting on cool, clever, technical hacks, but I feel that there is more of those who only `itertools.cycle(["product", "business value", "product", "customers", "product", "shipping", "product"])`... I don't think it's wrong, just that I don't feel that way and would like to be recognized as someone of value (not necessarily business value) too :)