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Do you also think Chinese selling counterfeit US postage stamps on eBay for 50% retail price (which is a major problem CBP and USPIS are fighting presently) is
by naturalmovement 4mo ago
Do you also think Chinese selling counterfeit US postage stamps on eBay for 50% retail price (which is a major problem CBP and USPIS are fighting presently) is the free market at work?
This post is so delusional and dripping with condescension I've read it three times and I still can't figure out if you're trolling or not.
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- bandrami 4mo agoPostage stamps have specific legal protection from duplication. The output of an LLM is not itself eligible for any legal IP protection.
- naturalmovement 4mo agoSo it's a proxy. Do you think you can re-stream cable TV or Netflix to your own paying customers at a cheaper price?
- bandrami 4mo agoIf it's streaming an uncopyrightable product, absolutely. This isn't even a gray area. I'm curious why you think you cannot re-stream a public domain stream.
- naturalmovement 4mo agoYou're playing word games to justify something which is clearly ethically wrong. You can't re-stream free over-the-air network TV. That one company with the datacenter full of TV tuners tried and was sued out of existence.
- noncoml 4mo ago> clearly ethically wrong Ethics are subjective. That’s why we have courts judge based on the law and not ethics
- bandrami 4mo agoFree over-the-air network TV is (generally) copyrighted. The output of LLMs cannot be copyrighted. This isn't a semantic game; it's literally the case that Anthropic cannot seek relief for people duplicating the output of an LLM.
- eloisius 4mo agoWith you, but I suppose they could have a case for circumventing access restrictions under the DMCA aka leet hacking.
- bandrami 4mo agoThe relief available to a licensor for violating a license use restriction is cancellation of the license. And they're free to do that, just like Alibaba is free to pay somebody in Hyderabad $20 to make another one. DMCA can't apply in this case because (this is the "C" in its initialism) it is based on copyright protections, which the output of Claude is not eligible for.
- eloisius 4mo agoI won’t go too far into the weeds, because I’m not an internet lawyer, and I basically agree with you, but I do believe there are access restriction laws that are not only limited to copyright violation. People have gone to prison for enumerating sequential identifiers in URLs to access records they shouldn’t be able to. I don’t know if Anthropic could actually make a case there, but it seems plausible at least.
- wqaatwt 4mo agoAn endless list of tangential analogies isn’t really a valid argument.. DMCA has as little to do with this as streaming copyrighted content
- achierius 4mo agoPost offices aren't meant to operate in the free market. More things should be like them.