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I guess you missed the fraud part.

by skybrian 4mo ago

techblueberry 4mo ago
Fraud is just what losers call disruption.
gaiagraphia 4mo ago
>Fraud According to which lawyer caste? Are American laws absolute truth? If not, who cares?
- CGamesPlay 4mo ago
  I mean, which lawyer caste do you respect? Is that one is cool with stealing credit cards to buy Claude subscriptions? > 3. At an Italian airport: Constantly stealing bags, opening them to pick out MacBooks and credit cards, a credit card manufacturer-who sells stolen "black" credit card info to transfer stations— is racking his brains to save you money.
  - yard2010 4mo ago
    Where is this quote from?
    - CGamesPlay 4mo ago
      Midway through https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens-in https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens... which was the article from the top-level comment.
  - wqaatwt 4mo ago
    Stealing credit cards seems not directed related to using legitimately acquired LLM outputs for whatever legitimate purpose you want to use them.
LtWorf 4mo ago
Has any tribunal ruled that fraud did happen?
Gigachad 4mo ago
Pulling out the worlds smallest violin for this case. It's just unheard of for AI companies to steal things.
- skybrian 4mo ago
  No, I mean that dodgy Chinese firms are cheating their customers: > Because users’ inputs and model outputs are mediated through a proxy, users cannot verify which model their request was actually routed to. A user selects Opus 4.7, but the proxy can silently route to Sonnet, Haiku, or, in the worst case, GLM or Qwen, and fraudulently relabel the output. In a recent paper from Germany’s CISPA Helmholtz Center for Information Security (which cited my article last year on grey market!), researchers audited 17 API proxies and found widespread model swapping–API proxy access to “Gemini-2.5” achieved only 37.00% on a medical benchmark, a staggering drop from the 83.82% performance of the official API. On the user end, the tell only comes on complex tasks, when the output feels off (often referred to as 降智, or “dumbed-down”), but there is no clean way to prove it. Numerous public records highlight concerns that certain API proxies have noticeably compromised model performance. These proxies are suspected of “diluting” (掺水) services by substituting premium frontier models with inferior tiers. > Besides model swapping, overconsumption of tokens also makes the price per token cheaper, though at the expense of driving up the total cost. Some of it is structural, as proxies that rotate accounts frequently destroy cache continuity as a side effect, forcing users to burn full-price tokens on context that would otherwise be nearly free. Some of it may be deliberate as the proxy providers try to milk more usage. The line between the two is difficult to draw from the outside. https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens-in https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens...

I guess you missed the fraud part.

techblueberry 4mo ago

Fraud is just what losers call disruption.

gaiagraphia 4mo ago

>Fraud According to which lawyer caste? Are American laws absolute truth? If not, who cares?

CGamesPlay 4mo ago
I mean, which lawyer caste do you respect? Is that one is cool with stealing credit cards to buy Claude subscriptions? > 3. At an Italian airport: Constantly stealing bags, opening them to pick out MacBooks and credit cards, a credit card manufacturer-who sells stolen "black" credit card info to transfer stations— is racking his brains to save you money.
- yard2010 4mo ago
  Where is this quote from?
  - CGamesPlay 4mo ago
    Midway through https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens-in https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens... which was the article from the top-level comment.
- wqaatwt 4mo ago
  Stealing credit cards seems not directed related to using legitimately acquired LLM outputs for whatever legitimate purpose you want to use them.

LtWorf 4mo ago

Has any tribunal ruled that fraud did happen?

Gigachad 4mo ago

Pulling out the worlds smallest violin for this case. It's just unheard of for AI companies to steal things.

skybrian 4mo ago
No, I mean that dodgy Chinese firms are cheating their customers: > Because users’ inputs and model outputs are mediated through a proxy, users cannot verify which model their request was actually routed to. A user selects Opus 4.7, but the proxy can silently route to Sonnet, Haiku, or, in the worst case, GLM or Qwen, and fraudulently relabel the output. In a recent paper from Germany’s CISPA Helmholtz Center for Information Security (which cited my article last year on grey market!), researchers audited 17 API proxies and found widespread model swapping–API proxy access to “Gemini-2.5” achieved only 37.00% on a medical benchmark, a staggering drop from the 83.82% performance of the official API. On the user end, the tell only comes on complex tasks, when the output feels off (often referred to as 降智, or “dumbed-down”), but there is no clean way to prove it. Numerous public records highlight concerns that certain API proxies have noticeably compromised model performance. These proxies are suspected of “diluting” (掺水) services by substituting premium frontier models with inferior tiers. > Besides model swapping, overconsumption of tokens also makes the price per token cheaper, though at the expense of driving up the total cost. Some of it is structural, as proxies that rotate accounts frequently destroy cache continuity as a side effect, forcing users to burn full-price tokens on context that would otherwise be nearly free. Some of it may be deliberate as the proxy providers try to milk more usage. The line between the two is difficult to draw from the outside. https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens-in https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens...